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Re: Brexit News

Postby Dazzler » Wed Mar 20, 9:06 am

slither wrote:
Dazzler wrote: The default position is that the UK crashes out of the EU on March 29th with no safety ropes.



It would serve them right if they did. (no pun intended)


Why?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Banks » Wed Mar 20, 1:47 pm

Dazzler wrote:
slither wrote:
Dazzler wrote: The default position is that the UK crashes out of the EU on March 29th with no safety ropes.



It would serve them right if they did. (no pun intended)


Why?


I can't answer for "Mr. Doesn't Show Up" but I noticed that Theresa May is now asking for a delay... after 3 long years, why can't your government get it together?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby slither » Wed Mar 20, 4:57 pm

Dazzler wrote:
slither wrote:
Dazzler wrote: The default position is that the UK crashes out of the EU on March 29th with no safety ropes.



It would serve them right if they did. (no pun intended)


Why?


The plutocrats have fooled the ignorant masses by playing on nativist fears.
We're in the same predicament.
Brexit is to be condemned, as are the MAGA fools here in the U.S.
People can vote for whomever they choose, but at some point reason must prevail.

Tell me something, Dazz: Do the same people who support Brexit feel any affinity toward Trump?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/p ... ment-.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... pean-union
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ack-brexit
https://thehill.com/opinion/internation ... supporters
https://psmag.com/news/regions-with-mor ... and-brexit

Just curious.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Cat » Wed Mar 20, 8:38 pm

David Cameron was smart to resign. He's living a pretty sweet life. Pub lunches and relaxing rounds of golf whilst writing his memoirs.

To bad about that pesky referendum loss though eh David?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Dazzler » Thu Mar 21, 4:03 pm

slither wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
slither wrote:
Dazzler wrote: The default position is that the UK crashes out of the EU on March 29th with no safety ropes.



It would serve them right if they did. (no pun intended)


Why?


The plutocrats have fooled the ignorant masses by playing on nativist fears.
We're in the same predicament.
Brexit is to be condemned, as are the MAGA fools here in the U.S.
People can vote for whomever they choose, but at some point reason must prevail.

Tell me something, Dazz: Do the same people who support Brexit feel any affinity toward Trump?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/p ... ment-.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... pean-union
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ack-brexit
https://thehill.com/opinion/internation ... supporters
https://psmag.com/news/regions-with-mor ... and-brexit

Just curious.


But the plutocrats won't be the ones who suffer.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby slither » Thu Mar 21, 4:19 pm

Indeed.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Rudy » Thu Mar 21, 11:02 pm

I wonder how indentured servitude can be legally reintroduced for those unfortunate masses
who don`t have a fuck-pile of capital?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby smokedpeppers » Fri Mar 22, 12:49 am

maybe, the majority who voted leave will take to he streets and demand it be implemented?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Dazzler » Fri Mar 22, 8:23 pm

It’s unlikely.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby slither » Wed Mar 27, 10:40 pm

Where's Thatcher when you need her, eh?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Rudy » Wed Mar 27, 11:19 pm

Fucking rotting. heh.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Dazzler » Thu Mar 28, 12:44 pm

slither wrote:Where's Thatcher when you need her, eh?


I don't know. I'll tell you if it ever happens.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Banks » Thu Apr 11, 9:27 am

That went well...

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Re: Brexit News

Postby smokedpeppers » Sun Apr 14, 1:40 am

ap has a good read on brexhaustion . could this be by design?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Generous_J » Wed May 01, 12:44 am

UK is in a seriously dire position. It's an existential crisis for the UK, and for 'Great Britain' as political entities. The future is really in the balance with 'Mad Max Wasteland' a real possibility.

One of the UK's many problems is a dearth of leadership. There are a heap of snakes, charlatans and incompetents in the UK cabinet. And when I say UK cabinet I mean those remaining unworthy that haven't already resigned or been stood down. As Brexit Minister, a succession of clownish fantasist idiots leading and then fighting May's Red Line disaster: Davis, Johnson, Raab. Two of which are 'serious' candidates to replace May. And May.... Just an absolute, unmitigated disaster. The Zombie PM. She should be dead so many times over but she just keeps bloody going. She has been so weak and craven and has made so many mistakes, one after another for years: a riduculous and grotesque succession of blunders, calamitous cock-ups and naive misjudgments. At times it has been tempting to have some sympathy for her but one only needs remind oneself that - on top of her tone deaf foolhardiness and apparent retard strength - she is a thoroughly nasty piece of work: the author of the Hostile Environment as home secretary, now self appointed the Messiah of Brexit. The Brexit Martyr.

The unfortunate thing is that 'the country' (England and Wales - not to be confused with Scotland and NI) has become even more badly divided since the vote, largely due to the aforementioned dearth of leadership. People are even more bitter and entrenched. Brexit is crossing the rubicon/ opening pandoras box/ letting the genie out of the bottle/ add your own. Years of tabloid hate and bile, stirred up into a cacophony of shit with added lies and misrepresentations of Brexiteers, and unleashed for the public to wade through in resolving a stupid one sentence question (which was then taken to mean 'hardcore self destruct') . No matter what happens now (Hard or Soft Brexit/ Revokation/ 2nd vote), a great many people will be bitterly disappointed and the UK will be and is irrevocably damaged, in all senses. UK politics is/ has veered to the extremes and it's all so desperately tragic. The prospect of the EU elections taking place in this type of febrile, manic UK is alarming. The absolute cunts the UK might send to disrupt things...

The best thing that could be done now is to call the whole fucking disaster off, apologise to the world and go off and work on reforming your electoral law (I recommend PR-STV). But this would not address the aforementioned divisions. Another limitation is that both May and Corbyn are determined to deliver Brexit. May's Party hates 'her Brexit' and Corbyn's Party hates Brexit, but together these shiesters may get it over the line. May wants to finally deliver Brexit and have a legacy of Delivering the Will of the People, and Corbyn wants May to take the blame so he can sweep in and reconstruct Britain as a socialist utopia.

From one perspective, the UK should probably have their Brexit, so they can see the truth of their place in the world - the full horror of it - before having a good think and quickly rejoining the flock a chastened and commited member. This would be quite ruinous though for all of us in the UK and Ireland, and to the EU more widely to a lesser extent.

So what should really happen is a second vote, but even that most likely won't resolve matters. There won't be a great enough margin for remain to definitively put the issue to bed insofar as it may swing to 55/45 Remain, which would naturally leave the call for 'a best of three'. But the EU won't live in this purgatoric stasis with the UK forever, waiting for good housekeeping, they have their own business to consider. Time is running out.

We are all sick to death of Brexit but this will drag out for many, many more years more should a50 not be revoked. I don't see that happening.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby slither » Fri May 03, 4:08 pm

“prynhawn Da”

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Re: Brexit News

Postby MileHighDenver » Thu May 23, 3:48 am

Looks like Friday is May day. Maybe another vote is not out of the question.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby uk*bag*lady » Fri May 24, 11:00 am

MileHighDenver wrote:Looks like Friday is May day. Maybe another vote is not out of the question.


Friday the Seventh, it seems.

And then what I wonder?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Dazzler » Fri May 24, 9:07 pm

Brexit devours another leader. Who'll be next?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby slither » Fri May 24, 10:33 pm

Yes - the more Gits chucking milkshakes, the better.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby smokedpeppers » Sat May 25, 2:43 am

the flood of news coverage we're receiving on this rivals that of archie's stage appearance .

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Re: Brexit News

Postby alpha » Mon May 27, 7:01 am

Dazzler wrote:Brexit devours another leader. Who'll be next?


We're having a terrible time on our side of the pond stomaching Trump as a leader, so i'm wondering in what context you find May to be a 'leader'?

She's been a royal pain in the arse to many, but that doesn't make her royalty, or does it? Dutches May, perhaps?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Dazzler » Mon May 27, 11:42 am

She's widely regarded as a terrible PM and a terrible leader. Whether history will finally judge her worse than Cameron is anyone's guess.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby slither » Mon May 27, 5:44 pm

Back to Labour, then?
Hobson’s Choice?

How do you feel about the election results?

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Dazzler » Tue May 28, 10:59 am

They're not conclusive at all - Farage's Brexit Party have mostly just snaffled all the votes that UKIP had and the Remain and Leave parties are about balanced - but they do seem to be causing the main parties to solidify their positions.

Brexit really has broken the Labour and Conservative parties into pieces and there's no appetite for the current Withdrawal Agreement, a general election or a disorderly exit.

Labour are coming out in favour of a confirmatory referendum, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a public vote. I think it's the only way out.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby octafish » Tue May 28, 11:15 pm

Dazzler wrote:I think it's the only way out.


Or the only way to stay in..

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Dazzler » Thu May 30, 7:56 pm

Either way, there's a deadlock that's not only politically explosive, but actually impossible to resolve without triggering a series of cascading constitutional crises. A public vote would at least give Parliament cover to do something.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby Banks » Fri May 31, 9:18 pm

Maybe Elton John will add a new version of his "Candle in the Wind" series to get you folks banded together again...

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Re: Brexit News

Postby octafish » Sat Jun 01, 1:01 am

Dazzler wrote:Either way, there's a deadlock that's not only politically explosive, but actually impossible to resolve without triggering a series of cascading constitutional crises. A public vote would at least give Parliament cover to do something.


All the polls seem to be split down the middle no matter how they are interpreted.

I can't pretend to understand any of it, customs union, free movement, hard borders, tariffs and agreements. I'm pro EU, but prepared to admit my opinion may be based on as many lies as that of a brexit voter.

If the average man in the street is confused, how can they know what they want? Politicians on all sides have failed.

I think we should revoke Article 50, and ask again nicely when we have a fucking plan.

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Re: Brexit News

Postby octafish » Sat Jun 01, 1:02 am

ps smash the tories vote labour


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