Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby Old Fart » Wed Mar 07, 3:30 pm

Dazzler wrote:
Old Fart wrote:The law is the law. There is no good argument for allowing violent criminals back into society. There isn't a place on the planet where someone who violates immigration laws, are deported several times and returns and then are let off the hook besides America.

All countries have laws on immigration and America is the only one who doesn't enforce them. I personally don't want anyone arrested or deported who has become a law abiding part of our community , but if that person has committed crimes while being here they deserve what any US citizen would get. Time in jail or another ticket home.


Presumably you turned yourself in every time you bought any weed prior to 2010-ish?

The law is the law.


So you just decided to skip over the last half of this thread?

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby Old Fart » Wed Mar 07, 3:33 pm

slither wrote:
Old Fart wrote:Some laws are made to be broken. This is where you tell me again that you don't know what a violent crime is, or that we know they committed violent crimes because police departments keep a record of such things. Just say you want violent known criminals released back into the community and own it. Enough with your verbal diarrhea take a position poser.


You are conflicted.
You like the good brown people - not the rapists and murderers. We get that.


You're a dim bulb. I know your embarrassment must be strong after blurting out assine gibberish but seriously...that was fucking lame.

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby Rudy » Wed Mar 07, 6:59 pm

Interesting.
How in the present political climate; that even though we generally agree
that we want and need the same things, we are too busy fighting amongst
ourselves to effectively articulate it and get anything from the leadership.

Its like some mad scientist`s social experiment being conducted by a
platoon of trust fund babies and their malevolent overlord.

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby MileHighDenver » Wed Mar 07, 11:18 pm

Rudy wrote:Interesting.
How in the present political climate; that even though we generally agree
that we want and need the same things, we are too busy fighting amongst
ourselves to effectively articulate it and get anything from the leadership.

Its like some mad scientist`s social experiment being conducted by a
platoon of trust fund babies and their malevolent overlord.


It’s like a perpetual train wreck in slow motion.
I saw an interview with the producer of Showtimes “Circus”. He said if he had pitched a show mimicing the current WH, he’d of been laughed out of the industry. This will not end well for the USA.

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby slither » Thu Mar 08, 12:44 pm

Old Fart wrote:
slither wrote:
Old Fart wrote:Some laws are made to be broken. This is where you tell me again that you don't know what a violent crime is, or that we know they committed violent crimes because police departments keep a record of such things. Just say you want violent known criminals released back into the community and own it. Enough with your verbal diarrhea take a position poser.


You are conflicted.
You like the good brown people - not the rapists and murderers. We get that.


You're a dim bulb. I know your embarrassment must be strong after blurting out assine gibberish but seriously...that was fucking lame.



I am quite certain my legal acumen exceeds yours, but flame away codger.

In the meantime take a peek at INA 212 & 237.
Educate yourself. Turn off the cable TV.
Blaze TV and Fox and Friends may be big in Colorado Springs, but the rest of the country is hampered by the need to exist in reality.
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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby Banks » Thu Mar 08, 3:17 pm

Old Fart wrote:The law is the law.

Old Fart wrote:Some laws are made to be broken.

Old Fart wrote:...take a position poser.


Have you decided yet, Norks Fart?

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby Rudy » Thu Mar 08, 11:57 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/08/opinions ... index.html

We have a problem." That is what Attorney General Jeff Sessions told a gathering of law enforcement officers in California on Wednesday, in announcing that the Trump administration was suing the state over its so-called sanctuary laws. Federal immigration law, Sessions emphasized, is the supreme law of the land. "But California, we have a problem," he said. "A series of actions and events have occurred here that directly and adversely impact the work of our federal officers."
There is a problem here -- only it is not the one that Sessions thinks it is. The problem is that the Trump administration is escalating its bullying of California and other states in a cynical, destructive way. Sessions' lawsuit against California is built on myths and deceptions.
The Trump administration is fighting California because the state passed three laws that the feds don't like. One limits state and local agencies' ability to share information about criminals or suspects with federal immigration officers, unless they have been convicted of a serious crime. Another bars local businesses from allowing Immigration and Customs Enforcement to examine employee records without a court order or a subpoena. The third gives California the right to inspect immigration detention centers within the states.
Sessions spoke as though California were brazenly defying federal law. "There is no nullification, there is no secession," he said. "Federal law is the supreme law of the land." No one disputes that. In fact, in US v. Arizona (2012), the lawsuit over Arizona's infamous "papers, please" law, the Supreme Court ruled that immigration enforcement was the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the states.




California's laws recognize and adhere to this principle. California lawmakers have basically told the feds, you do your job (immigration enforcement) and we'll do ours (deciding what's best for our communities). Contrary to the misleading "sanctuary" label, California's roughly 2.5 million undocumented immigrants -- the largest such population in the country -- are not free from arrest, detention or deportation. In January, ICE raided several California 7-11 franchises in search of undocumented workers. A February immigration sweep in Northern California resulted in 150 arrests. So the idea that "sanctuary" cities or states are a haven for undocumented immigrants is a myth.
Let's take a quick review of the California laws at issue, to understand the public policy reasoning behind them. The California Values Act (SB 54) prohibits local law enforcement from acting as immigration agents, by asking people their immigration status during routine encounters, or from alerting ICE every time an undocumented person who poses no danger is released from their custody.
The rationale for this is based on public trust; California lawmakers are concerned that if people fear all encounters with law enforcement, they will stop reporting crimes and serving as witnesses; they will be fearful of helping their communities in this way. Contrary to what Sessions asserts, this law does not stop federal immigration agents from doing their jobs; it just means that local law enforcement officials, who are not trained in the nuances of immigration law, will not get involved in these cases -- the key exception being when a person has a record of violent crimes.
California's law forbidding employers from giving ICE access to their records and their workplaces without a warrant is to prevent exploitation of workers -- that is, to keep employers from using the threat of exposure in order to pay undocumented workers less or mistreat them -- as well as to prevent the possible racial profiling of Latinos.


And the law providing for oversight of detention centers is certainly reasonable. Across the country, immigration detention facilities have been accused of abuses and poor conditions. Why wouldn't the state take an interest in having these facilities, many of which are in private hands, run properly?
These immigration provisions, and the pros and cons surrounding them, may seem a bit complicated. Sessions' announcement yesterday is not: it amounts to a government-sanctioned publicity stunt.
Going after "liberal California" over the people Trump likes to call "illegals" is nothing but red meat to Trump's dwindling base. No wonder the editorial board of the Sacramento Bee called the lawsuit "dishonest" and an "overreaction to a non-problem." The suit goes against traditional conservative ideas, which oppose an overreaching federal government. Consider that, in the unlikely event that California's laws were struck down, the state's taxpayers would be stuck paying for local law enforcement officials to assume the federal government's responsibilities.
At best, Jeff Sessions' speech in California was clumsy pandering to the base. At worst, it seeks to further the Trump administration's dangerous, false narrative that undocumented immigrants are a threat to our society. Either way, Sessions' lawsuit offers no solutions on immigration, only more divisive political posturing.

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby smokedpeppers » Fri Mar 09, 1:06 am

with all due respect, attempting to make a point by quoting cnn, is a bit like quoting breitbart .

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby boneymaroni » Fri Mar 09, 6:25 am

Rudy, that was a lame fucking post.

You're approaching NYNY standards.

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby Rudy » Fri Mar 09, 3:29 pm

boneymaroni wrote:Rudy, that was a lame fucking post.

You're approaching NYNY standards.



You've started a thread about a complicated subject.

Granted. Criminals take advantage of loopholes in the system, like they do with any and all systems.

This article delves into the nuances of the conflict between California State law and the Feds.

It is long, but it contains facts.

So far, I haven`t found anything here I can dispute.

While CNN is currently slanted against the current Trump WH, they are reporting truthful information here.

If you disagree with something, maybe you could point it out.

Or maybe it is just too much to read about an upsetting topic.

It is long.




...and thick.

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby Rudy » Fri Mar 09, 3:31 pm

smokedpeppers wrote:with all due respect, attempting to make a point by quoting cnn, is a bit like quoting breitbart .



I made no mention of Chem-Trails, did I?

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby Cat » Fri Mar 09, 6:40 pm

Rudy wrote:
smokedpeppers wrote:with all due respect, attempting to make a point by quoting cnn, is a bit like quoting breitbart .



I made no mention of Chem-Trails, did I?


CNN is a perfectly good source. Comparing CNN to Breitbart is idiotic but what would you expect from SP? He's fond of quoting propaganda from fake sites.

And regarding the topic, I wouldn't trust the Government's stats about immigrant crime.

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby smokedpeppers » Fri Mar 09, 9:35 pm

meh .

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Re: Oakland California Mayor Oughtta be in Jail

Postby bogart » Fri May 04, 4:58 am

We need more people like her in the country. Trump is a fool to go after immigrants. Despite their grating music, Mexicans, like every other country, should be allowed to walk across the border and not face deportation. We have enough food to let them all in, and they will fill the positions no one wants. Isn’t it good for the population to boom? These immigrants will carry the economy on their backs.


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