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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby modern roots » Fri Apr 08, 7:09 pm

Dazzler wrote:
nemesystem wrote: I'd reserve the death penalty for crimes where there's no doubt like suicide bombers pedophiles and rapists or serial killers.


absolute proof is impossible.


No it isn't. We have cameras. A video of a murder is absolute.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby nemesystem » Sat Apr 09, 12:39 am

Dazzler wrote:
nemesystem wrote: I'd reserve the death penalty for crimes where there's no doubt like suicide bombers pedophiles and rapists or serial killers.


That's fine. If you reserve the death penalty for cases where there's absolutely no doubt at all, you'd never execute anyone because absolute proof is impossible.


lmao how is absolute proof impossible?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Sat Apr 09, 2:44 pm

modern roots wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
nemesystem wrote: I'd reserve the death penalty for crimes where there's no doubt like suicide bombers pedophiles and rapists or serial killers.


absolute proof is impossible.


No it isn't. We have cameras. A video of a murder is absolute.


No, it isn’t.

https://youtu.be/gLoI9hAX9dw

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Sat Apr 09, 2:45 pm

nemesystem wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
nemesystem wrote: I'd reserve the death penalty for crimes where there's no doubt like suicide bombers pedophiles and rapists or serial killers.


That's fine. If you reserve the death penalty for cases where there's absolutely no doubt at all, you'd never execute anyone because absolute proof is impossible.


lmao how is absolute proof impossible?


How would you provide absolute proof to a jury?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby modern roots » Sun Apr 10, 4:05 am

Dazzler wrote:
modern roots wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
nemesystem wrote: I'd reserve the death penalty for crimes where there's no doubt like suicide bombers pedophiles and rapists or serial killers.


absolute proof is impossible.


No it isn't. We have cameras. A video of a murder is absolute.


No, it isn’t.

https://youtu.be/gLoI9hAX9dw


LOL!! You've just had an alpha moment. (No offense alpha)

I'm talking about cameras like gas station video and police body cam footage or just your regular person on the street making a video of a crime. You went looney on me and showed me a voice over of Obama! You know what I'm talking about.
There was no doubt that citizens videoing George Floyd's death at the hands of police was real. They saw what was going on and stopped to film the atrocity. There's no doubt a gas station camera is filming a robbery and capital murder. There's no doubt when a police body cam films a cop gun an innocent person down.
Now just about every store you see has cameras and their letting the police use their video to catch a criminal.
I know that I'd convict on a jury if I saw video evidence of a robbery and/or homicide where a positive ID of the killer is visible. You've got to be pulling my leg here, Dazz. Surely you wouldn't let a killer walk free. We as a people and society owe the victim justice.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby modern roots » Sun Apr 10, 5:29 am

https://www.al.com/news/2022/04/3-dead- ... range.html

Here's an example of what I'm talking about, Dazz. It just happened in my neighboring state of Georgia. 3 people were killed and at least 40 guns were stolen. The perp or perps took the video surveillance camera from the store before they left so an ID is virtually impossible.

Click on the link and check out the story.

Now why would someone take the surveillance camera? Duh! To avoid identity!

Hope this killer or killers meet swift justice and the death penalty.

And all you can offer for punishment for these killers is "isolation from the population". I've already showed you that almost 10% of people that kill will kill again if turned loose. You don't have much love for your fellow man or woman, do you?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Tue Apr 12, 3:37 pm

modern roots wrote:https://www.al.com/news/2022/04/3-dead-40-weapons-stolen-in-armed-robbery-at-georgia-gun-range.html

Here's an example of what I'm talking about, Dazz. It just happened in my neighboring state of Georgia. 3 people were killed and at least 40 guns were stolen. The perp or perps took the video surveillance camera from the store before they left so an ID is virtually impossible.

Click on the link and check out the story.

Now why would someone take the surveillance camera? Duh! To avoid identity!

Hope this killer or killers meet swift justice and the death penalty.

And all you can offer for punishment for these killers is "isolation from the population". I've already showed you that almost 10% of people that kill will kill again if turned loose. You don't have much love for your fellow man or woman, do you?


How does this constitute absolute proof?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby modern roots » Tue Apr 12, 6:13 pm

Dazzler wrote:
modern roots wrote:https://www.al.com/news/2022/04/3-dead-40-weapons-stolen-in-armed-robbery-at-georgia-gun-range.html

Here's an example of what I'm talking about, Dazz. It just happened in my neighboring state of Georgia. 3 people were killed and at least 40 guns were stolen. The perp or perps took the video surveillance camera from the store before they left so an ID is virtually impossible.

Click on the link and check out the story.

Now why would someone take the surveillance camera? Duh! To avoid identity!

Hope this killer or killers meet swift justice and the death penalty.

And all you can offer for punishment for these killers is "isolation from the population". I've already showed you that almost 10% of people that kill will kill again if turned loose. You don't have much love for your fellow man or woman, do you?


How does this constitute absolute proof?


You're a smart boy. You can figure it out.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Thu Apr 14, 1:29 pm

I really can't. You're going to have to explain it.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby modern roots » Thu Apr 14, 9:00 pm

Dazzler wrote:I really can't. You're going to have to explain it.



It's just a matter of simple addition now.
2+2 equals what, Dazz?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby nemesystem » Sat Apr 16, 10:48 pm

Dazzler wrote:
nemesystem wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
nemesystem wrote: I'd reserve the death penalty for crimes where there's no doubt like suicide bombers pedophiles and rapists or serial killers.


That's fine. If you reserve the death penalty for cases where there's absolutely no doubt at all, you'd never execute anyone because absolute proof is impossible.


lmao how is absolute proof impossible?


How would you provide absolute proof to a jury?


A confession? Video of the crimes being committed?

See Anders Behring Breivik or Brenton Harrison Tarrant

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Wed Apr 20, 12:03 pm

A video isn't absolute proof. Neither is a confession, because confessions are regularly coerced from subjects.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby modern roots » Thu Apr 21, 3:05 am

Dazzler wrote:A video isn't absolute proof. Neither is a confession, because confessions are regularly coerced from subjects.


A video is absolute proof. Check out the video in the link I posted in the thread "another black idiot bites the dust". No doubt. And there is an eyewitness filming the cop with his cellphone! It shows the cop pull out his gun. And BLAM!!! A bullet to the back of the head. You obviously haven't watched the video. There is NO DOUBT what happened. You're just living in denial.

You've got confessions, video, and eyewitnesses.

Just look at what happened in Virginia when antifa and white supremacists clashed. Some asshole got in his car and plowed protestors over. It was on video and there were 100 eyewitnesses. Again, no doubt about what happened. At this point you're just disagreeing for the sake of argument. But you've got no leg to stand on.

Video is damning evidence.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby uk*bag*lady » Sat Apr 23, 8:27 am

Dazzler wrote:A video isn't absolute proof. Neither is a confession, because confessions are regularly coerced from subjects.


I so agree about the confessions element of the post.

Timothy Evans 'confessed' to the murder of his wife and daughter in 1950 but later retracted his statement.

But they hanged him only to discover that the man Evans always said was the murderer was in fact the man who killed them And six others.

But, in my view, proof or not the taking of life is wrong - whoever is doing the taking!

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Sat Apr 23, 1:48 pm

modern roots wrote:
Dazzler wrote:A video isn't absolute proof. Neither is a confession, because confessions are regularly coerced from subjects.


A video is absolute proof. Check out the video in the link I posted in the thread "another black idiot bites the dust". No doubt. And there is an eyewitness filming the cop with his cellphone! It shows the cop pull out his gun. And BLAM!!! A bullet to the back of the head. You obviously haven't watched the video. There is NO DOUBT what happened. You're just living in denial.

You've got confessions, video, and eyewitnesses.

Just look at what happened in Virginia when antifa and white supremacists clashed. Some asshole got in his car and plowed protestors over. It was on video and there were 100 eyewitnesses. Again, no doubt about what happened. At this point you're just disagreeing for the sake of argument. But you've got no leg to stand on.

Video is damning evidence.


Videos are trivially easy to fake, with consumer-level technology as you'd know if you'd watched the video I posted upthread.

While that is the case, videos can't be absolute proof.

So how many innocent deaths are acceptable to pay for your vengeful hate-wanking?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Sat Apr 23, 1:51 pm

uk*bag*lady wrote:
But, in my view, proof or not the taking of life is wrong - whoever is doing the taking!

:-)



I also agree with this, but it's not necessary to accept this to come to the conclusion that capital punishment is immoral and counter-productive.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby modern roots » Sat Apr 23, 4:16 pm

Dazzler wrote:
modern roots wrote:
Dazzler wrote:A video isn't absolute proof. Neither is a confession, because confessions are regularly coerced from subjects.


A video is absolute proof. Check out the video in the link I posted in the thread "another black idiot bites the dust". No doubt. And there is an eyewitness filming the cop with his cellphone! It shows the cop pull out his gun. And BLAM!!! A bullet to the back of the head. You obviously haven't watched the video. There is NO DOUBT what happened. You're just living in denial.

You've got confessions, video, and eyewitnesses.

Just look at what happened in Virginia when antifa and white supremacists clashed. Some asshole got in his car and plowed protestors over. It was on video and there were 100 eyewitnesses. Again, no doubt about what happened. At this point you're just disagreeing for the sake of argument. But you've got no leg to stand on.

Video is damning evidence.


Videos are trivially easy to fake, with consumer-level technology as you'd know if you'd watched the video I posted upthread.

While that is the case, videos can't be absolute proof.

So how many innocent deaths are acceptable to pay for your vengeful hate-wanking?


The death penalty is Biblical. You've already quoted one of the Ten Commandments in an earlier post. Read Genesis 9:6. "If a person sheds blood, by man shall his blood be shed." It's justice. You take a life, your life is taken.

Neither of the two instances I gave you is the authenticity of the video in doubt. In an earlier post I presented you with a link to 3 killings and a robbery. In this instance the surveillance video was stolen by the killer or killers. Now I'll ask again: why take the surveillance video? It's a no brainer. Because the video is PROOF! There's no way you're going to make me believe surveillance camera video is altered to catch a criminal. The police use these types of video to make an ID of the criminal and are routinely shown on the local news for the viewing public. You gave a link to a voice over of Obama! LOL!! You know the difference. That's why I said you don't have a leg to stand on. Because you don't.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Sat Apr 23, 6:08 pm

Wait, are you saying that absence of evidence is sufficient evidence for the state to murder someone?

Just admit that you want to see some povvos die. I’d have a lot more respect for that than this mealy-mouthed school-debating-society justification of statist absolutism that you’re presenting.

I mean, I’d still think you were a bloodthirsty cunt, but at least you’d have the nuts to admit it.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby nemesystem » Sat Apr 30, 12:33 am

Dazzler wrote:A video isn't absolute proof. Neither is a confession, because confessions are regularly coerced from subjects.



Except in the examples I provided it is. The video was live streamed and the confession was noncoercive.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Mon May 09, 10:54 am

It. Doesn't. Matter.

You only have the publisher's word that the video was livestreamed and regardless, it won't be livestreamed to the jury.

You only have the word of the police that the confession was non-coercive.

So, how many innocent lives lost due to ignorance of these facts are acceptable so you get your bloodlust sated?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby nemesystem » Wed May 11, 2:32 am

Dazzler wrote:It. Doesn't. Matter.

You only have the publisher's word that the video was livestreamed and regardless, it won't be livestreamed to the jury.

You only have the word of the police that the confession was non-coercive.


Sounds like a personal problem.

Publisher's word? what the fuck are you talking about? It was live streamed on facebook live. (You're saying facebook put up a fake mass shooting video as a live stream ) lmao ok Alex Jones.


The idiot released a manifesto for fuck sake but yeah go head and believe police beat a confession out of him.

So, how many innocent lives lost due to ignorance of these facts are acceptable so you get your bloodlust sated?


Who are you to say they are innocent? God let them die for a reason.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Banks » Wed May 11, 1:42 pm

nemesystem wrote:Who are you to say they are innocent? God let them die for a reason.


Which God might that be?

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Postby uk*bag*lady » Wed May 11, 6:52 pm

Banks wrote:
nemesystem wrote:Who are you to say they are innocent? God let them die for a reason.


Which God might that be?


Well we each have a different God don't we?

Yours may not be mine and vice versa

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Banks » Thu May 12, 11:46 am

uk*bag*lady wrote:
Banks wrote:
nemesystem wrote:Who are you to say they are innocent? God let them die for a reason.


Which God might that be?


Well we each have a different God don't we?

Yours may not be mine and vice versa

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Exactly my point... which one is Nemesystem's?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby nemesystem » Fri May 13, 4:32 am

Banks wrote:
nemesystem wrote:Who are you to say they are innocent? God let them die for a reason.


Which God might that be?


Maybe Osiris? Could depend on the day though. Who knows?

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Banks » Fri May 13, 4:44 pm

nemesystem wrote:
Banks wrote:
nemesystem wrote:Who are you to say they are innocent? God let them die for a reason.


Which God might that be?


Maybe Osiris? Could depend on the day though. Who knows?

Ah, sorry... thought you were making a point there.

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby nemesystem » Sun May 15, 2:21 am

lol no worries your troll post was as pathetic as cali guys

(if that was not your intention my apologies)

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Banks » Sun May 15, 12:49 pm

nemesystem wrote:lol no worries your troll post was as pathetic as cali guys

(if that was not your intention my apologies)


It wasn't. I ask the same question to folks preaching on the streets, simply asking which one you were referring to. There are lots of them out there...

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby modern roots » Fri May 20, 11:04 pm

I thought God's name was God!

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Re: Firing squad executions

Postby Dazzler » Sat May 21, 11:09 am

So, what's the argument for murdering someone vs. locking them away from the public for as long as they're dangerous?


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