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Heebie jeebies, anyone?

Postby alpha » Mon Nov 02, 10:32 am

This election causing you folks the telltale signs of the heebie jeebies? This place sure has gone quiet in the lead up to the 'advertised' chaos next week, seemingly no matter what's the scenario. And they want you to believe you have a choice, but when only the electoral college gets to vote that leaves everyone else out of it, so i'll never understand the significance of these emperor races? Also, voting for either party's reps in the senate or congressional chambers is an equally total waste of time, unless you happen to be quite wealthy and like giving yer excess cash away. The given is they only produce for their donor class, not the rest of us, so voting essentially only proves you're squarely under their proverbial thumbs.

The Chinese, on the other hand, elect their leaders thru a meritorious system. Where potential leaders have to prove their intelligence and commitment to the advancement of China, before they ever get a chance to 'lead' anything. Their system of procuring talented leadership is by leaps and bounds better than anything any country in the west has produced, in over ten centuries.

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Postby Banks » Mon Nov 02, 3:10 pm

alpha wrote:The Chinese, on the other hand, elect their leaders thru a meritorious system. Where potential leaders have to prove their intelligence and commitment to the advancement of China, before they ever get a chance to 'lead' anything. Their system of procuring talented leadership is by leaps and bounds better than anything any country in the west has produced, in over ten centuries.


You should move there and become China's Steve Bannon...

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Postby alpha » Tue Nov 03, 3:11 am

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alpha wrote:The Chinese, on the other hand, elect their leaders thru a meritorious system. Where potential leaders have to prove their intelligence and commitment to the advancement of China, before they ever get a chance to 'lead' anything. Their system of procuring talented leadership is by leaps and bounds better than anything any country in the west has produced, in over ten centuries.


You should move there and become China's Steve Bannon...


We all should move there, or Russia, if we had the smarts to learn their language(s). Both have economies that are similar to what we were experiencing during the '50's and '60's. However, their economies aren't being smothered by disruptive, neo liberal policies, which is why they're now considered america's greatest threats, to topple america's world hegemony.

Here's a speech Putin gave to Russian students who participated in their Bolshaya Peremena contest:

Vladimir Putin wrote:"Hello Artek, hello competition finalists."

"I am greeting over a million schoolchildren all across Russia who have taken part in this wonderful contest, Bolshaya Peremena."

"This name is figurative and reflects your lives and school, the time of friendship, new knowledge and discoveries. Of course, it also reflects the huge social and technological changes, big changes that are happening now in the world."

"In order to become leaders in the turbulent, difficult 21st century, we need to create the best opportunities for people’s self-fulfillment, for revealing the talents and natural gifts that all people, adults and children alike, have, and for helping them find their way in life. This is what determines the future of Russia, its successes and achievements."

"This is why it is so important that Bolshaya Peremena has provided you with a unique chance to show the best side of your skills and knowledge, to choose a creative assignment, and tell everyone about your projects and ideas on a whole range of issues. These include art, journalism, environmental protection, science, technology, volunteering, history, tourism, and the development of our cities, your home."

"Of course, my special gratitude goes to your teachers."

"Under the contest’s conditions, you could invite your favourite teacher, your homeroom teacher, art school teacher or coach. Due to the pandemic, they could not attend the semifinals but always supported you online. I thank your mentors with whom you began on your road to big success. Let us thank all the teachers of Russia for their invaluable work."

"Each one of you, without exception, is talented. You all are winners. Your main victory is that you overcame your doubts, took a step towards your dreams, and proved that you can achieve a lot thanks to your strong will, persistence, talent and, of course, hard work."

"Let me repeat that your personal success, as well as that of the millions of other school students, determines the welfare and the dynamic development of all of Russia."

"We will continue to pave the way for children and teenagers to be successful and talented. Without exaggeration, this is our national goal. I believe it unites all Russians."
[My Emphasis]

When do you remember america facilitating such a contest, Banks? I'm sure the commonwealth of pennsylvania's educational system wasn't much different than the commonwealth of virginia's purported educational system and i remember no such incentives, nor contests. The best we could do was a gold star, how about you? We were mostly treated like cattle, not the future of america and today that polarity shows quite real, in what's left of a tattered society.

Russia and China are on the rise and their technology and standards of living are going to far surpass ours, over the ensuing decades, until the american sheeple have had enough, but by then it'll be far too late, heck might be already. The duopoly y'all vote for are destroying america brick by brick and yet it's those same bricks that keep electing positively useless people over and over again, praying for a different outcome.

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Postby Dazzler » Tue Nov 03, 2:13 pm

Russia is in the hands of a corrupt kleptocracy that stole the country's public assets and used them to enrich themselves. The Chinese government regularly executes, imprisons and 'disappears' people who disagree with it.

Neither are the kind of example we should be looking towards for guidance.

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Postby Rudy » Tue Nov 03, 6:14 pm

alpha wrote: american sheeple



You lost me. For good. Right here.

I feel both sorry for you, and a little relieved that after today you can sweep those nihilistic political notions back into the cracks for a few moments, and focus on the messy cleanup ahead . So difficult for some to identify Shinola when the focus has been mainly placed on the other more disgusting element.

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Postby Dazzler » Wed Nov 04, 5:11 am

Well, this isn’t looking good is it?

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Postby alpha » Wed Nov 04, 6:21 am

Dazzler wrote:Russia is in the hands of a corrupt kleptocracy that stole the country's public assets and used them to enrich themselves. The Chinese government regularly executes, imprisons and 'disappears' people who disagree with it.


Wow, like the british gov't or it's american counterpart never dabbled in such atrocities? The vast majority of what you read in your msm is projection styled propaganda. Yeltsin was their corrupt kleptocracy, which is something Putin is in fact turning around. They have diplomacy the west does not, only bullying, which is now being met with indifference, because with all the west's bluster, they haven't kept up in the arms race. america's now in third place military weaponry wise. They have both hypersonic missiles and platforms, whereas the west has quoting tRump "hydrosonic missiles". (No lie=)

China's economy is soaring and the only thing trying to reign it in is more west's bullying and hegemony. america is illegally sanctioning nearly everyone on earth that disagrees with it's totalitarianism and it's rules based laws, where it (america) can change the 'rules' as it pleases. For example pirating illegally seized Iranian oil on the high seas and selling it for $40 million and calling it just. There's practically nothing just about your country, nor mine.

Dazzler wrote:Neither are the kind of example we should be looking towards for guidance.


You're quite wrong. The only two shining examples of wanting the best for their people are China, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran and Russia, in that order, imho. Mostly democratic countries that have truly honest elections, which is one of the reasons they are all american enemies.

Heck Daz, america is trying it's dangedest to talk your country into ending trade with China altogether. How do you think that'll play for your future, if Boris follows thru on tRump's orders, er, suggestions? My opinion is not well at all. Not that i take any, but 85% of america's pharmaceuticals come from China, yet we have a prez trying his darnedest to piss the Chinese off with one sided trade talks. Hardly diplomatic efforts, imo. Iff'n anyone's living in a kleptocracy it's you and me and our cuntries have been at it for more than a century.

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Postby alpha » Wed Nov 04, 6:36 am

Rudy wrote:
alpha wrote: american sheeple



You lost me. For good. Right here.


Quite a usual phenomenon for most sheeple, but especially true of american exceptional sheeple, who aren't exceptional at all except in their exceptional delusion of living in a republic, or having free non-manipulated elections.

Perhaps, if you took lessons from modern roots? He voted for a loser, but at the minimum voted his conscious and sent the right message to tptb. Most vote out of fear and their vote is for more of the same, which has been totalitarianism, since 1944. The last prez who truly wanted to help the people was FDR, who was well before our time.

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Postby Dazzler » Wed Nov 04, 7:49 am

alpha wrote:
Dazzler wrote:Russia is in the hands of a corrupt kleptocracy that stole the country's public assets and used them to enrich themselves. The Chinese government regularly executes, imprisons and 'disappears' people who disagree with it.


Wow, like the british gov't or it's american counterpart never dabbled in such atrocities? The vast majority of what you read in your msm is projection styled propaganda. Yeltsin was their corrupt kleptocracy, which is something Putin is in fact turning around. They have diplomacy the west does not, only bullying, which is now being met with indifference, because with all the west's bluster, they haven't kept up in the arms race. america's now in third place military weaponry wise. They have both hypersonic missiles and platforms, whereas the west has quoting tRump "hydrosonic missiles". (No lie=)

China's economy is soaring and the only thing trying to reign it in is more west's bullying and hegemony. america is illegally sanctioning nearly everyone on earth that disagrees with it's totalitarianism and it's rules based laws, where it (america) can change the 'rules' as it pleases. For example pirating illegally seized Iranian oil on the high seas and selling it for $40 million and calling it just. There's practically nothing just about your country, nor mine.

Dazzler wrote:Neither are the kind of example we should be looking towards for guidance.


You're quite wrong. The only two shining examples of wanting the best for their people are China, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran and Russia, in that order, imho. Mostly democratic countries that have truly honest elections, which is one of the reasons they are all american enemies.

Heck Daz, america is trying it's dangedest to talk your country into ending trade with China altogether. How do you think that'll play for your future, if Boris follows thru on tRump's orders, er, suggestions? My opinion is not well at all. Not that i take any, but 85% of america's pharmaceuticals come from China, yet we have a prez trying his darnedest to piss the Chinese off with one sided trade talks. Hardly diplomatic efforts, imo. Iff'n anyone's living in a kleptocracy it's you and me and our cuntries have been at it for more than a century.


Why do you assume that because I detest the brutal and inhuman way the Chinese and Russian governments treat their citizens - particularly the poor ones - that I don’t see how the US and Britain are increasingly doing the same?

Focus on the issue. We do not want to become more like China.

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Postby Dazzler » Wed Nov 04, 8:30 am

You realise that for the US to emulate China, the entire Constitution would need to be voided, right?

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Postby alpha » Wed Nov 04, 10:37 am

Dazzler wrote:You realise that for the US to emulate China, the entire Constitution would need to be voided, right?


The very reason we have the constitution we have is how we've wound up where we are. Had our 'founding father's not been the oligarchs that they were we would've surely kept it's forerunner, the articles of confederation, which would've forced the US at that time to adopt:

"The main difference between constitution and articles of confederation is that constitution is the rules that democratic countries and other legalized institutions develop to implement law and order whereas the articles of confederation are the rules that were accepted by the United States of American during American Revolution."

However, from reading elsewhere i've seen it's possible for the 'states' to get back to a much better form of governance that wouldn't be allowed to pander with the oligarchs and would've forbid the kind of government we're experiencing today.

China has it's problems, Daz, with as many mouths to feed as they have, but their form of gov't is a mixture of communism, capitalism and socialism, but mostly on the latter. They've collectively picked their nation up from the bootstraps and have transformed their nation from one of poverty, to one where they've come quite close to removing it completely and have hopes of doing so by the end of this decade, if not sooner. They use mostly public banking, which works way better than private banking, which we're seeing quite rigidly today. They're booming and our oligarchs are being bailed out once again on bad bets, whilst completely innocent people suffer.

Both China's economy and their way of life are a generation ahead of what's occurring in the west and their technology is only going to expand exponentially, whilst the west's continues to collapse into obscurity, over it's endless preoccupation with neoliberalism.

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Postby Dazzler » Wed Nov 04, 2:38 pm

Please describe socialism to me, with paticular reference to East Asian socialism.

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Postby Rudy » Wed Nov 04, 5:40 pm

alpha wrote:
Rudy wrote:
alpha wrote: american sheeple



You lost me. For good. Right here.


Quite a usual phenomenon for most sheeple, but especially true of american exceptional sheeple, who aren't exceptional at all except in their exceptional delusion of living in a republic, or having free non-manipulated elections.

Perhaps, if you took lessons from modern roots? He voted for a loser, but at the minimum voted his conscious and sent the right message to tptb. Most vote out of fear and their vote is for more of the same, which has been totalitarianism, since 1944. The last prez who truly wanted to help the people was FDR, who was well before our time.


OK. Let's do this. If I am a sheeple, that would make you a little bitch using the same criteria of labeling.
An exceptional little bitch at that!

Now. That was productive. Glad we could clear this up!

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Postby alpha » Thu Nov 05, 1:46 am

Dazzler wrote:Please describe socialism to me, with paticular reference to East Asian socialism.


A major difference between Chinese politics and the west's politics is that protesting in the west doesn't do any good. Our government's ignore our protests, because they can and because they decided to do so. Perhaps, it occurred with the Clinton directive of full spectrum dominance over the rest of the world which has been reengineered under both bush and obama administrations. The relatively new Chinese rules under the PPC mandates protests. They want protests, so they can understand what their workers want and are in most need of. They study these proposals and implement the most worth ones. When was the last time you remember that occurring in your country, or mine? Also, if you haven't noticed China and it's people act collectively, they're not divided as we are in nearly all countries in the west, which in the west is by design. The divided never revolt, except against each other, nor do they have a clue who they should be protesting against, which is quite evident with our latest protestors on various streets in various cities across our land.

I can't begin to give you all the ins and outs of socialism in China, Daz, but the fact they have public banking and not private banking goes a long way in being socialist. The government becomes the creditor, not private bankers demanding profit, if the government forgives debt, rather than forcing a business to seek bankruptcy the government loses nothing, because they are in fact the banker and the creditor. We hear nothing but propaganda about China and Russia, because neither will pander to the west's neoliberal policies of divide and plunder anymore, because unlike america they're focused on their children's and grand children's future. The west is only concerned with their oligarch's future(s) and the political system that keeps that particular future systemic to the few and not the many. Michael Hudson calls it financial fascism, in the link i gave in the declaration's thread. How close is that to capitalism? When wealthy corporations begin taking over the inner workings of gov't, how is that not fascism? How is the privatization of american assets not fascism, or both our country's neoliberal policies that have privatized the assets and resources of countless other nations, acts of capitalism?

Yet the vast majority of thoroughly, indoctrinated americans who've been manipulated literally since they were in their mama's womb, wanna believe they live in a democratic republic for which it stands and is and has always been the greatest nation on earth, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

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Rudy wrote:
alpha wrote:
Rudy wrote:
alpha wrote: american sheeple



You lost me. For good. Right here.


Quite a usual phenomenon for most sheeple, but especially true of american exceptional sheeple, who aren't exceptional at all except in their exceptional delusion of living in a republic, or having free non-manipulated elections.

Perhaps, if you took lessons from modern roots? He voted for a loser, but at the minimum voted his conscious and sent the right message to tptb. Most vote out of fear and their vote is for more of the same, which has been totalitarianism, since 1944. The last prez who truly wanted to help the people was FDR, who was well before our time.


OK. Let's do this. If I am a sheeple, that would make you a little bitch using the same criteria of labeling.
An exceptional little bitch at that!

Now. That was productive. Glad we could clear this up!


I agree Rudy, that was productive! Baby steps tho. We need to learn to walk, by finding a better source for our news than cnn, which should be CaNN't. Main stream media doesn't want you to know the truth, that would be detrimental to our corrupt leadership, nor does any mainstream media outlet in our 'free world', want you privy to that info either. How many stories have you read about the various assassinations of leading members of Julian Assange's Wikileaks, or the torture Assange is having to endure whilst waiting for a british kangaroo's court decision? How much of his kangaroo trail did you keep up with? Greatest news story about freedom of press, presently and i'd bet cnn has avoided it altogether, am i right? We have the internet at our fingertips and there are sources for the news that still investigate what's occurring, rather than pulling it verbatim from ap, or reuters who very rarely do. Then, when you watch cnn you can only shake yer head, because there won't be any wonder of who's really right, because your logic will take over. However, see my last paragraph to Daz, above. We're all screwed until americans begin waking up to their plight.

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Postby Dazzler » Thu Nov 05, 11:20 am

alpha wrote:
Dazzler wrote:Please describe socialism to me, with paticular reference to East Asian socialism.


A major difference between Chinese politics and the west's politics is that protesting in the west doesn't do any good. Our government's ignore our protests, because they can and because they decided to do so. Perhaps, it occurred with the Clinton directive of full spectrum dominance over the rest of the world which has been reengineered under both bush and obama administrations. The relatively new Chinese rules under the PPC mandates protests. They want protests, so they can understand what their workers want and are in most need of. They study these proposals and implement the most worth ones. When was the last time you remember that occurring in your country, or mine? Also, if you haven't noticed China and it's people act collectively, they're not divided as we are in nearly all countries in the west, which in the west is by design. The divided never revolt, except against each other, nor do they have a clue who they should be protesting against, which is quite evident with our latest protestors on various streets in various cities across our land.

I can't begin to give you all the ins and outs of socialism in China, Daz, but the fact they have public banking and not private banking goes a long way in being socialist. The government becomes the creditor, not private bankers demanding profit, if the government forgives debt, rather than forcing a business to seek bankruptcy the government loses nothing, because they are in fact the banker and the creditor. We hear nothing but propaganda about China and Russia, because neither will pander to the west's neoliberal policies of divide and plunder anymore, because unlike america they're focused on their children's and grand children's future. The west is only concerned with their oligarch's future(s) and the political system that keeps that particular future systemic to the few and not the many. Michael Hudson calls it financial fascism, in the link i gave in the declaration's thread. How close is that to capitalism? When wealthy corporations begin taking over the inner workings of gov't, how is that not fascism? How is the privatization of american assets not fascism, or both our country's neoliberal policies that have privatized the assets and resources of countless other nations, acts of capitalism?

Yet the vast majority of thoroughly, indoctrinated americans who've been manipulated literally since they were in their mama's womb, wanna believe they live in a democratic republic for which it stands and is and has always been the greatest nation on earth, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.


The US is not a functioning democracy. This does not excuse China's blatant political censorship and torture and murder of political opponents.

East Asian communism is not redistributive; it's characterised by nationalism and autoritarianism. You really have no idea what you're talking about.


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