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Re: Resist.

Postby NewYork, New York » Sat Sep 16, 2:47 am

Old Fart wrote:
des wrote:Give your heads a wobble, America!

You're allowing yourselves to be fucked over by the insurance companies!

Do something about it, for fuck's sake!


Peace, Des.


People are sheep, they dig in their heels and vote for the party. We had a protest vote last presidential election, unfortunately nobody qualified as a leader so we got Trump.


Lets not forget. OBAMA made the deal with the insurance cos. Not Trump. When it comes to healthcare (and lots of things) Trump hasn't done ANYTHING.

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Postby NewYork, New York » Sat Sep 16, 2:49 am

des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?

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Re: Resist.

Postby alpha » Sat Sep 16, 5:20 am

NewYork, New York wrote:
Old Fart wrote:
des wrote:Give your heads a wobble, America!

You're allowing yourselves to be fucked over by the insurance companies!

Do something about it, for fuck's sake!


Peace, Des.


People are sheep, they dig in their heels and vote for the party. We had a protest vote last presidential election, unfortunately nobody qualified as a leader so we got Trump.


Lets not forget. OBAMA made the deal with the insurance cos. Not Trump. When it comes to healthcare (and lots of things) Trump hasn't done ANYTHING.


This is perhaps your greatest understatement here, NYNY, congrats.

There was no "protest" vote last November. It was quite obvious from the results that nearly everyone abandoned throwing away their votes on the minor political parties, to keep the other loser from winning. The american electorate chose clinton and "TPTB©" chose trump.

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Re: Resist.

Postby alpha » Sat Sep 16, 5:39 am

des wrote:Give your heads a wobble, America!

You're allowing yourselves to be fucked over by the insurance companies!

Do something about it, for fuck's sake!


Peace, Des.


Just curious Des, how are your public protests over fracking fairing?

We can protest fracking here, peacefully too, but it'll only lead to court orders banning the protestors from being within miles of the fracking sites.

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Re: Resist.

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NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?


That's difficult to answer because the NHS is funded by taxation, but if you earn say £40,000 ($54,000) a year you'd pay about £7,500 in tax and national insurance. That covers everything though, from police and fire services to roads and the NHS! It also pays your stamp to cover your old age pension which you receive at 67!

Children, OAPs, the disabled and people on benefits pay jack shit!


Peace, Des.

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Postby des » Sat Sep 16, 6:15 am

alpha wrote:
des wrote:Give your heads a wobble, America!

You're allowing yourselves to be fucked over by the insurance companies!

Do something about it, for fuck's sake!


Peace, Des.


Just curious Des, how are your public protests over fracking fairing?

We can protest fracking here, peacefully too, but it'll only lead to court orders banning the protestors from being within miles of the fracking sites.


The protesters are putting up a good fight, but they're pissing in the wind! The Government backs shale gas and while they've took a softly softly approach up till now I think heads will be smacked if push comes to shove!

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/towers-protes ... -1-8626985


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Postby smokedpeppers » Sat Sep 16, 3:07 pm

Sanders in 1987: 'Astronomical' Cost of Single-Payer 'Would Bankrupt the Nation'
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Re: Resist.

Postby NewYork, New York » Sat Sep 16, 5:25 pm

des wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?


That's difficult to answer because the NHS is funded by taxation, but if you earn say £40,000 ($54,000) a year you'd pay about £7,500 in tax and national insurance. That covers everything though, from police and fire services to roads and the NHS! It also pays your stamp to cover your old age pension which you receive at 67!

Children, OAPs, the disabled and people on benefits pay jack shit!


Peace, Des.


Thank you Des. Is that per person or for a family of say 4 people?

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NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?


That's difficult to answer because the NHS is funded by taxation, but if you earn say £40,000 ($54,000) a year you'd pay about £7,500 in tax and national insurance. That covers everything though, from police and fire services to roads and the NHS! It also pays your stamp to cover your old age pension which you receive at 67!

Children, OAPs, the disabled and people on benefits pay jack shit!


Peace, Des.


Thank you Des. Is that per person or for a family of say 4 people?


That's for one person! If they're the only person in the family working, that's the total all 4 people would contribute!

If both parents are earning 40k a year, it would be double that, although I think couples these days can claim a huge chunk of tax back against the cost of chidcare?


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Re: Resist.

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NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?


You've been given an answer every fucking time you've asked this. In order for a British person to pay as much as you do for medical care, they'd have to earn around £250,000. For the details, just look up the reply you were given last time.

In Britain, if you cannot afford to pay, you pay nothing. If you are extremely wealthy, you pay more. Either way, it's a much better deal than the idiotic American system where prices of treatment and medicine are inflated vastly over the market rate.

If you ever ask this question again pretending that you haven't had an answer, you will receive a vile stream of abuse.

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Re: Resist.

Postby des » Mon Sep 18, 6:05 pm

Dazzler wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?


You've been given an answer every fucking time you've asked this. In order for a British person to pay as much as you do for medical care, they'd have to earn around £250,000. For the details, just look up the reply you were given last time.

In Britain, if you cannot afford to pay, you pay nothing. If you are extremely wealthy, you pay more. Either way, it's a much better deal than the idiotic American system where prices of treatment and medicine are inflated vastly over the market rate.

If you ever ask this question again pretending that you haven't had an answer, you will receive a vile stream of abuse.


Seems to me your average American loathes the idea of their tax dollars paying for some fucker else's health care?

They'd rather pay for their insurance company execs to be driving round in a Maseratis and living in beach fronted properties!


Peace, Des.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Cujo04 » Mon Sep 18, 7:14 pm

des wrote:".....................Seems to me your average American loathes the idea of their tax dollars paying for some fucker else's health care?

The'd rather pay for their insurance company execs to be driving round in a Maseratis and living in beach fronted properties!


Peace, Des.


US tax dollars have always supported healthcare for the poor and elderly through Medicaid & Medicare. The majority of the rest of the population are covered by employers and most workers are likely disengaged and oblivious to the price gouging because it hasn't hit most of them head on. As suggested earlier though, employers are switching to high deductible plans to help their bottom lines and it will be an eye opener when workers need to use it for anything other than a routine wellness visit.

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Postby Generous_J » Mon Sep 18, 11:25 pm

Dazzler wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?


You've been given an answer every fucking time you've asked this. In order for a British person to pay as much as you do for medical care, they'd have to earn around £250,000. For the details, just look up the reply you were given last time.

In Britain, if you cannot afford to pay, you pay nothing. If you are extremely wealthy, you pay more. Either way, it's a much better deal than the idiotic American system where prices of treatment and medicine are inflated vastly over the market rate.

If you ever ask this question again pretending that you haven't had an answer, you will receive a vile stream of abuse.


Hahaha! Oh, how I laughed.

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Postby Generous_J » Mon Sep 18, 11:27 pm

Cujo04 wrote:
des wrote:".....................Seems to me your average American loathes the idea of their tax dollars paying for some fucker else's health care?

The'd rather pay for their insurance company execs to be driving round in a Maseratis and living in beach fronted properties!


Peace, Des.


US tax dollars have always supported healthcare for the poor and elderly through Medicaid & Medicare. The majority of the rest of the population are covered by employers and most workers are likely disengaged and oblivious to the price gouging because it hasn't hit most of them head on. As suggested earlier though, employers are switching to high deductible plans to help their bottom lines and it will be an eye opener when workers need to use it for anything other than a routine wellness visit.


What is this nonsense? The point is that American's dont want to have social healthcare. They just don't.

I think maybe you just don't understand it, or can't conceptualize it. Kinda like how NY,NY is, as an example.

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Re: Resist.

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Generous_J wrote:
Cujo04 wrote:
des wrote:".....................Seems to me your average American loathes the idea of their tax dollars paying for some fucker else's health care?

The'd rather pay for their insurance company execs to be driving round in a Maseratis and living in beach fronted properties!


Peace, Des.


US tax dollars have always supported healthcare for the poor and elderly through Medicaid & Medicare. The majority of the rest of the population are covered by employers and most workers are likely disengaged and oblivious to the price gouging because it hasn't hit most of them head on. As suggested earlier though, employers are switching to high deductible plans to help their bottom lines and it will be an eye opener when workers need to use it for anything other than a routine wellness visit.


What is this nonsense? The point is that American's dont want to have social healthcare. They just don't.

I think maybe you just don't understand it, or can't conceptualize it. Kinda like how NY,NY is, as an example.


They do. Most just don't know it yet because they blindly follow their Congressional Reps lead without question and the latter have a financial interest in keeping the status quo

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Postby Rudy » Wed Sep 20, 8:00 pm

GOP trying once more to punch us in the gut.


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Postby Bohannon » Wed Sep 20, 10:17 pm

Only the people who don't need it don't want it; id est; congress and other rich fucks.

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Re: Resist.

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Sep 21, 2:53 am

Dazzler wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?


You've been given an answer every fucking time you've asked this. In order for a British person to pay as much as you do for medical care, they'd have to earn around £250,000. For the details, just look up the reply you were given last time.

In Britain, if you cannot afford to pay, you pay nothing. If you are extremely wealthy, you pay more. Either way, it's a much better deal than the idiotic American system where prices of treatment and medicine are inflated vastly over the market rate.

If you ever ask this question again pretending that you haven't had an answer, you will receive a vile stream of abuse.


A. I am terrified of your "vile stream of abuse"? Laughable.
Wakeup Dizzy. Words can do no harm. You know, free speech and all that stuff.

B. you have no clue how much Americans pay.

C. In the US, everyone gets treated at the emergency room regardless of their ability to pay.

D. You pay way more in premiums than I do.

E.Healthcare is being rationed in the UK. You know this but refuse to acknowledge it.

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Re: Resist.

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Sep 21, 2:55 am

Generous_J wrote:
Cujo04 wrote:
des wrote:".....................Seems to me your average American loathes the idea of their tax dollars paying for some fucker else's health care?

The'd rather pay for their insurance company execs to be driving round in a Maseratis and living in beach fronted properties!


Peace, Des.


US tax dollars have always supported healthcare for the poor and elderly through Medicaid & Medicare. The majority of the rest of the population are covered by employers and most workers are likely disengaged and oblivious to the price gouging because it hasn't hit most of them head on. As suggested earlier though, employers are switching to high deductible plans to help their bottom lines and it will be an eye opener when workers need to use it for anything other than a routine wellness visit.


What is this nonsense? The point is that American's dont want to have social healthcare. They just don't.

I think maybe you just don't understand it, or can't conceptualize it. Kinda like how NY,NY is, as an example.


J you couldn't conceptualize yourself out of the proverbial paper bag.

You are correct. We DON'T want Socialism of any kind.

And Des, to be clear, Obama and the democrats made the deal with the insurance cos.

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Postby Generous_J » Thu Sep 21, 8:50 am

NY,NY - u r the gift that keeps on giving.

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NewYork, New York wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


I've asked this question before and NEVER been given an answer.

How much do you pay in insurance premiums each month/year?


You've been given an answer every fucking time you've asked this. In order for a British person to pay as much as you do for medical care, they'd have to earn around £250,000. For the details, just look up the reply you were given last time.

In Britain, if you cannot afford to pay, you pay nothing. If you are extremely wealthy, you pay more. Either way, it's a much better deal than the idiotic American system where prices of treatment and medicine are inflated vastly over the market rate.

If you ever ask this question again pretending that you haven't had an answer, you will receive a vile stream of abuse.


A. I am terrified of your "vile stream of abuse"? Laughable.
Wakeup Dizzy. Words can do no harm. You know, free speech and all that stuff.

B. you have no clue how much Americans pay.

C. In the US, everyone gets treated at the emergency room regardless of their ability to pay.

D. You pay way more in premiums than I do.

E.Healthcare is being rationed in the UK. You know this but refuse to acknowledge it.


Would you be happy to cancel your insurance and rely solely on Medicaid for you and your families health care?

Peace, Des.

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Postby Cujo04 » Thu Sep 21, 12:31 pm

The Democratic leadership doesn't want universal healthcare any more than the GOP leadership. Why would they hurt their primary donors. When it takes $25M...$50M...even $100M to run a high profile Congressional re-election campaign, where do you think the money comes from?

They had the votes in 2010 and could have done whatever. They had 60 democratic votes in the senate and a huge advantage in the House in when they ramrodded the ACA in. Essentially , it just expanded Medicaid which was fine. The primary beneficiary however, was the corporate health insurance cartel who gained millions of new taxpayer subsidized policies

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Postby Rudy » Thu Sep 21, 2:30 pm

I realize Democrats are fucking up as well.
Socialized medicine seems to be the only ethical and economic answer to this maelstrom and Democrats seem to be the only
ones in Congress that are even considering policies that will aid individuals, not big business.
That is why I hammer mostly on Republicans who are clearly just raping and pillaging the lower and middle classes on behalf of corporate society.
There is plenty of blame to go around.
I am working on the obvious in your face things I see in the news every day.

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Postby Cujo04 » Thu Sep 21, 3:58 pm

It's all theatre. They each speak from prepared scripts choreographed to keep the good cop/bad cop illusion intact. That's how they survive at the polls by making the bovine masses think...."if only we could reduce the influence of the opposing party...". It's kind of like Congress having a 10% approval rating but 80% of the people in a given state think their Congressman is doing great but it's the other 49 that are the problem. It maintains the status quo. You have to follow what they do, not what they say. What they do is follow the money.

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Postby alpha » Thu Sep 21, 5:45 pm

NewYork, New York wrote:...C. In the US, everyone gets treated at the emergency room regardless of their ability to pay.


This is true, however, once out of the emergency room, insured and uninsured experience vastly different methods of medical care. One receives it and the other barely does.

NewYork, New York wrote:D. You pay way more in premiums than I do.


That's true of many american males who's wives have the better jobs and therefore health insurance.

NewYork, New York wrote:E.Healthcare is being rationed in the UK. You know this but refuse to acknowledge it.


It's being rationed out here, Norks, that's why all the trouble coming up with a viable healthcare plan for america. Please,TTKU!

des wrote:Would you be happy to cancel your insurance and rely solely on Medicaid for you and your families health care?

Peace, Des.


I have solely Medicare, Des and it's not nearly as bad as i had expected it to be. I pay about $1260 a year for it and it covers 80% of my costs. Were that available to families across america then it would be a better thing than what we have now. A government fat with fiat money can easily afford that kind of healthcare, if it's benevolent. However, our's is violent and wishes to screw everyone, for profits, including it's own people.

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Postby Cujo04 » Thu Sep 21, 8:05 pm

NewYork, New York wrote: "............You are correct. We DON'T want Socialism of any kind......."


NYNY...I guess if you test that theory, then try eliminating Medicare & Medicaid and see what the response is. The only reason the working population is against it is because, for most, their employers are paying most if not all the bill. Combine that with the fact that the older Cold War, baby boomer population was raised on the notion that things like Socialism is just Communism Lite. As the employers continue to migrate to the ultra high deductible health plans and workers, especially with families, begin to grasp the hard fact that the first $8K..$10k-$15k spent per year on their medical care is coming out of their pockets, they will warm up to the concept

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Re: Resist.

Postby des » Fri Sep 22, 9:59 am

A state run healthcare system isn't Socialism! ... It's common fuckin' sense!

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Re: Resist.

Postby Cujo04 » Fri Sep 22, 4:09 pm

des wrote:A state run healthcare system isn't Socialism! ... It's common fuckin' sense!

Peace, Des.



I don't know how anyone could take a critical look at the system we have in the US and thinks it works for the peoples benefit

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Postby Rudy » Fri Sep 22, 10:17 pm

Senate Switchboard: (202) 224-3121

Call the bastards!

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Postby Rudy » Fri Sep 22, 10:29 pm

1. Heller (R-NV) (202) 224-6244
2. Collins (R-ME) (202) 224-2523
3. Murkowski (R-AK) (202) 224-6665
4. Capito (R-WV) (202) 224-6472
5. Cassidy (R-LA) (202) 224-5824
6. Flake (R-AZ) (202) 224-4521
7. Gardner (R-CO) (202) 224-5941
8. Portman (R-OH) (202) 224-3353
9. Cruz (bastard) (R-TX) (202) 224-5922
10. Paul (R-KY) (202) 224-4343
11. Lee (R-UT) (202) 224-5444
12. Sasse (R-NE) (202) 224-4224


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