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Re: Resist.

Postby nemesystem » Tue Sep 12, 11:40 pm

as you can tell from previous US posters... our healthcare system is beyond fucked lmao

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Re: Resist.

Postby Cujo04 » Wed Sep 13, 12:04 am

Best healthcare money can buy......

Just bring lots of money

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Re: Resist.

Postby Old Fart » Wed Sep 13, 2:14 am

NewYork, New York wrote:Taken from an article I read today on the internet:


Would you be willing to confirm or deny any of these points?


How could anyone deny it? You got it on the Internet right?

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Re: Resist.

Postby des » Wed Sep 13, 9:36 am

The NHS isn't perfect, but it's so well loved by the majority of the electorate it would be political suicide for any party that tried to run it into the ground!

Personally, I'd like to see us drop out of the nuclear arms race and pump the money saved into funding a World class health service!

Decent medical care should be a right, not a fuckin' privilege!


Peace, Des.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Dazzler » Wed Sep 13, 3:14 pm

des wrote:The NHS isn't perfect, but it's so well loved by the majority of the electorate it would be political suicide for any party that tried to run it into the ground!


Yeah, that's why they're doing it very, very slowly and subtly.

Personally, I'd like to see us drop out of the nuclear arms race and pump the money saved into funding a World class health service!

Decent medical care should be a right, not a fuckin' privilege!


Peace, Des.


Fucking right. If we lose the NHS now, we will never get it back. Bollocks to Trident: it's a useless white elephant.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Old Fart » Thu Sep 14, 12:19 am

Rudy wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-details/index.html


It's not going anywhere anytime soon, but at least the first shot has been fired.

Millennials are going to save the planet.

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Postby Swin » Thu Sep 14, 12:41 pm

des wrote:The NHS isn't perfect, but it's so well loved by the majority of the electorate it would be political suicide for any party that tried to run it into the ground!

Personally, I'd like to see us drop out of the nuclear arms race and pump the money saved into funding a World class health service!


Peace, Des.


Fucking spot on Des I have had four cancer operations, 10 or 12 scans with regular check-up ones still to come and 6 months chemo on the NHS over the last 3 years - absolutely outstanding care in hospitals struggling to survive. Thanks to the NHS I am visiting Amsterdam again after a three year break at the end of this month

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Postby Dazzler » Thu Sep 14, 3:50 pm

My Dad has a bone infection. He's just been discharged from a four-day stay in hospital with three extremely powerful antibiotics, injecting and sterilising equipment, a remote vital signs monitor so he can send his data to the hospital and a mini fridge to keep all the medicine at the right temperature.

Anyone like to try and hazard a guess at how much that would have cost in the US? It cost him cost precisely nothing. The NHS is fucking brilliant. Without it, both my Dad and my sister would be dead.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Rudy » Thu Sep 14, 4:20 pm

This is not at all what Yorky was expecting to hear.

Maybe a little vacation is in order...

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Postby des » Thu Sep 14, 4:34 pm

Swin wrote:
des wrote:The NHS isn't perfect, but it's so well loved by the majority of the electorate it would be political suicide for any party that tried to run it into the ground!

Personally, I'd like to see us drop out of the nuclear arms race and pump the money saved into funding a World class health service!


Peace, Des.


Fucking spot on Des I have had four cancer operations, 10 or 12 scans with regular check-up ones still to come and 6 months chemo on the NHS over the last 3 years - absolutely outstanding care in hospitals struggling to survive. Thanks to the NHS I am visiting Amsterdam again after a three year break at the end of this month


I hope you have a fuckin' brilliant time, mate!

Don't forget the trip report!


Peace, Des.

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Re: Resist.

Postby des » Thu Sep 14, 4:45 pm

What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.

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Postby uk*bag*lady » Thu Sep 14, 4:59 pm

des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.



I imagine you're correct about the free prescriptions Des.

I've had free scripts since 1998 when I was diagnosed as Diabetic.

Why? Having Diabetes didn't make me poor! I've really never understood why.

And of course people of pensionable age also have them for free and mine are free for that reason.

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Postby Cujo04 » Thu Sep 14, 5:05 pm

Dazzler wrote:My Dad has a bone infection. He's just been discharged from a four-day stay in hospital with three extremely powerful antibiotics, injecting and sterilising equipment, a remote vital signs monitor so he can send his data to the hospital and a mini fridge to keep all the medicine at the right temperature.

Anyone like to try and hazard a guess at how much that would have cost in the US? It cost him cost precisely nothing. The NHS is fucking brilliant. Without it, both my Dad and my sister would be dead.



$1M....If you use generics

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Postby Rudy » Thu Sep 14, 5:47 pm

des wrote:What happens when you 'Merkins go and visit your GP for something mundane like a cough or a sore leg?

Do you get arse raped or is it free?

Also how much does it cost for your prescriptions? Over here it's £7.50 per item or you can pay a one off fee of £100 that covers you for a full 12 months!

I think if you're on the rock 'n' roll you get your prescriptiond buckshee?


Peace, Des.


It is arse rape from the very beginning.
Doctors inflate the costs of proceedures because insurance companies always renege on a portion of
the bill. The actual out of pocket fee and deductible you pay(always high) is determined long after the services are rendered.
Similar to an adversarial court system`s proceedings to determine guilt or innocence I suppose. The outcome lies somewhere between the 2 extremes.
Totally taking care of the insurance company`s bottom line, you can be assured they will never go out of business on this model.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Rudy » Thu Sep 14, 5:55 pm

And prescriptions; the sky is the limit.
Some insurance plans cover quite a bit, depending on how outrageously high your premiums are.
And some ubiquitous drugs are fairly reasonable.(opiates for example)
But if a drug is newly on the market, is important for treatment, or has any potential at all of being expensive...it is.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Cujo04 » Thu Sep 14, 8:23 pm

Employers are opting into providing insurance benefits with $6k... $8k...even $10k deductibles to cut their costs. It's basically insurance you can't afford to use unless you have a major illness. Once the workers start to realize that even their employee provided insurance is unaffordable, then Bernies's crusade will get traction with the masses

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Re: Resist.

Postby nemesystem » Thu Sep 14, 11:26 pm

lol I work for a health insurance exchange and you'd think they'd have pretty good insurance plans...

fuck no... lmao.. just another racket... smh

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Re: Resist.

Postby Old Fart » Fri Sep 15, 12:24 am

An example for a single person over 60 and under 65.

Keep in mind my company is considered a premier employer in Colorado and pays for the majority of my premium.

My deductible went up to $2,500 this year and my premiums went up 17% to $200 per month for a plan that pays 80% up to $30,000 , then they pay 100%.

Persciptions are 100% full price out of pocket until the deductible is met.

I get one wellness check-up per year that came with Obamacare. I pay 100% out of pocket to see any doctor for any reason until the deductible is met after that.

There are only certain Doctors I can see, they must be in the "network".

Dental and vision are not included.

A 12% increase on premiums and a deductable of $4,000 is expected January 1.

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Re: Resist.

Postby des » Fri Sep 15, 4:51 am

Children, OAPs and the disabled all get free treatment though, right?

Peace, Des.

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Postby Rudy » Fri Sep 15, 2:32 pm

des wrote:Children, OAPs and the disabled all get free treatment though, right?

Peace, Des.


LOL!!!

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Postby uk*bag*lady » Fri Sep 15, 3:51 pm

des wrote:Children, OAPs and the disabled all get free treatment though, right?

Peace, Des.


Erm...only on our side of the pond I believe,Des.

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Postby Rudy » Fri Sep 15, 4:49 pm

There are some federal programs that do help the needy and aged.
Medicaid and Medicare for instance.

In all states, Medicaid provides coverage for some low-income people, families and children, pregnant women, the elderly, and people with disabilities.
In some states, Medicaid has been expanded to cover all adults below a certain income level.

And even if Medicare covers a service or item, you generally have to pay your deductible, coinsurance, and copayments. Some of the items and services that Medicare doesn't cover include: Long-term care (also called custodial care) Most dental care.

But of course the choices and providers are getting fewer and the coverage is iffy like everyone elses.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Cujo04 » Fri Sep 15, 6:50 pm

I think the powers that be TPTB© just want to thin the herd by 40 or 50%

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Re: Resist.

Postby des » Fri Sep 15, 7:07 pm

Give your heads a wobble, America!

You're allowing yourselves to be fucked over by the insurance companies!

Do something about it, for fuck's sake!


Peace, Des.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Cujo04 » Fri Sep 15, 8:38 pm

Well...I would say vote out all incumbents in Congress and then repeat in the following election until they get a message but the lemmings love their own states rep and only hate the ones from the other 49 states

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Postby Generous_J » Fri Sep 15, 9:39 pm

des wrote:Give your heads a wobble, America!

You're allowing yourselves to be fucked over by the insurance companies!

Do something about it, for fuck's sake!


Peace, Des.


While I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly, I think you have bigger problems closer to home. Do something about that.

America will never have our type of healthcare though. Republicans squeal and say 'my tax dollars aren't gonna pay for that layabouts care' and Democrats democrat. They think our system is 'socialist', and that's a dirty word apparently. Pure capitalism lets the weak die off you see.

Obamacare seems to have been a fucking half aborted effort at it but everyone lost their minds.

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Re: Resist.

Postby Cujo04 » Fri Sep 15, 10:42 pm

Generous_J wrote:
des wrote:Give your heads a wobble, America!

You're allowing yourselves to be fucked over by the insurance companies!

Do something about it, for fuck's sake!


Peace, Des.


While I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly, I think you have bigger problems closer to home. Do something about that.

America will never have our type of healthcare though. Republicans squeal and say 'my tax dollars aren't gonna pay for that layabouts care' and Democrats democrat. They think our system is 'socialist', and that's a dirty word apparently. Pure capitalism lets the weak die off you see.

Obamacare seems to have been a fucking half aborted effort at it but everyone lost their minds.


There are a dozen or so Congressmen in each party who essentially tell the other 500 how to vote on bills. These 20-30 career criminals are well compensated by the corporate healthcare cartel to keep the status quo intact in terms of their price gouging and profit margins. They are a bi-partisan lobby

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Re: Resist.

Postby Old Fart » Sat Sep 16, 12:18 am

des wrote:Give your heads a wobble, America!

You're allowing yourselves to be fucked over by the insurance companies!

Do something about it, for fuck's sake!


Peace, Des.


People are sheep, they dig in their heels and vote for the party. We had a protest vote last presidential election, unfortunately nobody qualified as a leader so we got Trump.

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Re: Resist.

Postby NewYork, New York » Sat Sep 16, 2:46 am

des wrote:The NHS isn't perfect, but it's so well loved by the majority of the electorate it would be political suicide for any party that tried to run it into the ground!

Personally, I'd like to see us drop out of the nuclear arms race and pump the money saved into funding a World class health service!

Decent medical care should be a right, not a fuckin' privilege!


Peace, Des.


I can't exactly disagree with you Des. However, what about the long wait times, the rationing of services and the refusal to treat people deemed "too old"?


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