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A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Rudy » Tue Sep 05, 7:35 pm

Trump pulled the plug on DACA today just as he had threatened(promised).
He has no plan other than to dismantle anything and everything of Obama`s that he has the power to.
He is giving a paralyzed Congress a short while to sort out the hurried details,
then the immigration cards will fall where they will.
Thousands and thousands of innocent victims this time.
This directly affects several my friends and loved ones very negatively.

This is not a joke.

This is not a "fix".

This is destroying the fix.


I hope the Dreamers camp out in front of Rump Tower for months.

Please call your Senators and Representatives.

Please.

I know this is a small site, but I and millions of others affected by this horse-crap
would greatly appreciate any and all resistance to this
evil and divisive plan to persecute the children of immigrants.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Generous_J » Tue Sep 05, 7:45 pm

He doesnt understand what America is for people. It's a country built by immigrants with great faith that they could succeed and realise 'the dream' if they worked hard enough.

After two terms of Bush, people's perception of America was drastically affected. Obama helped somewhat to restore some faith but by god is Trump doing his damnedest to fuck it up again. It's a bit of a joke.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Cali Guy » Tue Sep 05, 8:31 pm

Rudy wrote:Please call your Senators and Representatives.



This is essential, they have six months to get off their asses and pass a permanent solution to avoid more noxious Executive Orders. Time is of the essence since no new applications are being accepted and only renewal requests already received will be considered.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Old Fart » Wed Sep 06, 1:30 am

Cali Guy wrote:
Rudy wrote:Please call your Senators and Representatives.



This is essential, they have six months to get off their asses and pass a permanent solution to avoid more noxious Executive Orders. Time is of the essence since no new applications are being accepted and only renewal requests already received will be considered.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Cat » Wed Sep 06, 9:56 am

Another nothing burger (along with Health Care Reform, Tax Reform, the Wall) from the Drumpf White House where they think continuously playing on the emotions of their "white base" will eventually actually accomplish something.

Apartheid America. Divide people based on class, race, culture, gender and other factors and keep immigration debate thoroughly grounded in emotions instead of rational policy based on socio economic considerations and international migrations patterns.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Old Fart » Wed Sep 06, 2:17 pm

So you don't want DACA to be law so no executive order could change it. You just like to put on your vagina hat and scream at the television, your baseball bat never too far away just in case...

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Rudy » Wed Sep 06, 3:02 pm

Unfortunately with a Congress rife with extreme ideologues on all sides we will fix this just
like we fixed health care.
Not.
With nothing in place of DACA, the DOJ under the kind leadership of the former gentleman
from Alabama Mr. Sessions can interpret the law any way they want.

I don`t like the way Mr. Sessions thinks. He believes in incarceration and deportation

If our legislators can`t even decide on or afford an orderly system to allow immigrants
into the country, how in the hell are we going to take a stab at legally and ethically removing them?

Luckily Rump has mumbled something about "revisiting" DACA if Congress fails to come up with
an entirely new genius plan...

...heh.


America. Greater by the minute.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Rudy » Wed Sep 06, 5:08 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/ ... index.html

Please.
Support those that are fighting against the White House`s slash and burn tactics.
These are real people who have been living, working and paying taxes just like the rest of us.
We can`t segregate people according to heritage and create second class citizens and expect to survive as a Democracy.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Rudy » Wed Sep 06, 5:16 pm

Many Americans wonder why all immigrants do not just come to the United States legally or simply “get in line” if they are unauthorized. These suggestions miss the point: There is no line available for unauthorized immigrants and the “regular channels” do not include them.
No “line” is available for the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants.

Immigration to the United States on a temporary or permanent basis is generally limited to three different routes: employment, family reunification, or humanitarian protection. While the U.S. immigration system is generous, each of these possibilities is highly regulated and subject to numerical limitations and eligibility requirements. Most unauthorized immigrants do not have the necessary family or employment relationships and often cannot access humanitarian protection, such as refugee or asylum status.
Employment-based immigration requires a U.S. employer to request specific foreign workers.

To come to the United States for employment purposes—either temporarily or permanently—foreign workers must generally have a job lined up with an eligible employer who will sponsor them. An employer can request permission to bring in specific qualified foreign workers, but only if they meet the requirements, such as job skills and education level, and if the employer cannot find a qualified U.S. worker to take the job first. Most of the qualifying professions for permanent immigration require high levels of education and professional experience, such as scientists, professors, and multinational executives. There is a limited number of temporary visas for highly skilled or internationally recognized workers. There are also temporary, seasonal opportunities for agricultural workers and certain other “less skilled” workers. In most of these cases, an employer must petition for the worker.
Family-based immigration is limited to certain close family relationships and is numerically restricted.

Qualified family members in the United States can seek permission to bring in certain eligible foreign-born family members. U.S. citizens can petition for their spouses, parents, children, and siblings. Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs, or “green card” holders) can petition for their spouses and unmarried children. There are always visas available for the spouses, parents, and minor children of U.S. citizens, but for all other family categories there are annual numerical limits. In all cases, the petitioning family member in the United States must demonstrate an income level above the poverty line and must commit to support the family member they are seeking to bring to the United States. The foreign-born persons wishing to immigrate must meet eligibility requirements as well.
Most people fleeing their home countries cannot access humanitarian protection.

Each year the United States sets a numerical limit on how many refugees will be admitted for humanitarian reasons. To be admitted as refugees, individuals must be screened by multiple international and U.S. agencies and prove that they have a “well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, membership in a particular social group, political opinion, or national origin.” Asylum seekers are individuals already in the United States who fear returning to their home countries, and they must prove they meet the definition of a refugee. An immigrant does not qualify as a refugee or an asylee because of poverty or difficult economic conditions in their home country. There are limited forms of temporary humanitarian protection available, but these are rare.
Even those who can get in line are subject to long backlogs and waits.

The demand from both family members and workers who want to immigrate to the United States is typically higher than the number of slots available each year. In addition, there is a maximum number of employment-based and family-sponsored preference visas that can be issued to citizens of any one country in a single fiscal year. No country can receive more than seven percent of the visas available for the year. This results in significant backlogs for most family members and some workers hoping to enter the United States legally, with some immigrants from certain countries waiting decades.

As of May 2016, for most countries, unmarried children of U.S. citizens must wait more than five years and siblings of U.S. citizens must wait more than 10 years. People from countries with high levels of immigration to the United States—Mexico, China, India, and the Philippines—generally have longer waiting times. For example, married children of U.S. citizens from Mexico must wait more than 20 years for a visa to become available, and Filipino siblings of U.S. citizens currently wait about 25 years.
There is a limited lottery for certain countries.

If a person who wishes to immigrate to the United States does not qualify under the family, employment, or humanitarian systems, there may be one more legal path. The annual Diversity Visa program makes 55,000 green cards available to persons from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States. People from Mexico, China, the Philippines, India, and other countries with higher levels of immigration to the United States are not eligible. To qualify, applicants must have a high school education and two years of job experience. Since millions of people around the world apply each year, the chances of obtaining a visa through the lottery are extremely low.
Conclusion

Unauthorized immigrants who want to regularize their status in this country cannot just “get in line.” There are lines, but a large number of aspiring immigrants are not eligible to be in any of them. Even if a prospective immigrant does meet the formal requirements to immigrate, the wait can be very long if she or he is applying from countries that are currently oversubscribed.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... t-get-line

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby NewYork, New York » Wed Sep 06, 6:34 pm

The USA should let everyone and anyone move here.

Just like ......................................................................????????????????

(For Example, Canada and the Netherlands don't.)

And while your at it, forget about all those people who did wait in line to emigrate legally.
All that time, all that money. SUCKERS!
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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby NewYork, New York » Wed Sep 06, 6:38 pm

Rudy wrote:No “line” is available for the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants.




That pretty much says it all.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Rudy » Wed Sep 06, 7:22 pm

Educate yourself.

We need a system that lets the poor folks in.

America, remember?

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Rudy » Wed Sep 06, 7:23 pm

...Legally.

Dipshit.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Generous_J » Wed Sep 06, 7:26 pm

NewYork, New York wrote:The USA should let everyone and anyone move here.

Just like ......................................................................????????????????

(For Example, Canada and the Netherlands don't.)

And while your at it, forget about all those people who did wait in line to emigrate legally.
All that time, all that money. SUCKERS!


Where is your family from NYNY? Many US citizens only go back 3 or 4 generations.

Also, you entirely missed Rudy's point, which it looks like he put some effort into formulating.

You are a bit of a dipshit.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Cat » Wed Sep 06, 7:31 pm

I emigrated here as a 3 year old in the later 50's when America was trying to fill the personnel void left over after WW2 killed off all that skilled labor here and in most counties. If you were educated and had a job lined up and a sponsor family you were in like flint. After 10 years you applied for citizenship. It went pretty smoothly.

Whitey nationalists are making it waaaaaay to difficult now thanks to Drumpf's fear the brown man campaign.

Meanwhile back in NL, they've gone out of their way to eliminate dual nationality entirely for the most. It was never an issue before 9/11.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Old Fart » Wed Sep 06, 7:58 pm

Obama deported 3 million people. It'll be difficult for Trump to catch up. Fucking whiteys.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Rudy » Wed Sep 06, 9:39 pm

Old Fart wrote:Obama deported 3 million people...


...thanks to Bush`s changing of the official definition of "deportation".

Snopes is your friend...

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby nemesystem » Wed Sep 06, 11:13 pm

Did any of you vote for Reagan?

If you did you are to blame :)

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Old Fart » Thu Sep 07, 1:33 am

Rudy wrote:
Old Fart wrote:Obama deported 3 million people...


...thanks to Bush`s changing of the official definition of "deportation".

Snopes is your friend...


I'll do it.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

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Generous_J wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:The USA should let everyone and anyone move here.

Just like ......................................................................????????????????

(For Example, Canada and the Netherlands don't.)

And while your at it, forget about all those people who did wait in line to emigrate legally.
All that time, all that money. SUCKERS!


Where is your family from NYNY? Many US citizens only go back 3 or 4 generations.

Also, you entirely missed Rudy's point, which it looks like he put some effort into formulating.

You are a bit of a dipshit.


Really J?

Tell me which countries are letting people in LEGALLY. Hundreds of thousands of them.

Not Ireland. Not Australia. My family members emigrated LEGALLY.
DACA is all about ILLEGAL immigration.

You are a bit of a moron and a dick sometimes too.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Sep 07, 2:13 pm

Rudy wrote:
Old Fart wrote:Obama deported 3 million people...


...thanks to Bush`s changing of the official definition of "deportation".

Snopes is your friend...


How much longer do you get to blame Bush for everything.

The man has been out of the White House for almost a decade.

Maybe you could blame a more recent president? Perhaps the man who actually deported 3 million people?

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

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NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:
Old Fart wrote:Obama deported 3 million people...


...thanks to Bush`s changing of the official definition of "deportation".

Snopes is your friend...


How much longer do you get to blame Bush for everything.

The man has been out of the White House for almost a decade.

Maybe you could blame a more recent president? Perhaps the man who actually deported 3 million people?


Educate yourself dickhead. I already tried.
Now I don`t have time for you.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

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Rudy wrote:
Old Fart wrote:Obama deported 3 million people...


...thanks to Bush`s changing of the official definition of "deportation".

Snopes is your friend...


Snopes is officially mixed.
Bush didn't change the definition of anything.
Besides Snopes, I can't find anything that disputes the 2.7 million number deported under Obama. I understand it includes the so called "catch and release" people who instead of going through the system were bussed home, but it's still a big number.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Old Fart » Fri Sep 08, 12:43 am

Rudy, you know the executive order was always a temporary fix and Obama fully expected Congress to make it law. Obama is on record saying as much.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Rudy » Fri Sep 08, 1:08 am

Old Fart wrote:Rudy, you know the executive order was always a temporary fix and Obama fully expected Congress to make it law. Obama is on record saying as much.


Yes, yes and yes.

But the recent sketchy immigration proceedings and callous vitriolic border and wall talk by the guy pulling the plug on DACA
is very scary for these kids who have already been denied(some for decades) real citizenship through all available legal channels.
Yet they continue to live and work here in the hopes that one day Congress will pull its head out of its ass and act.
That day is not here yet. These folks deserve reassurance. DACA is not a get out of jail card for criminals.
US/South American immigration regs are somewhat like a Hollywood A list party. If you already have money, job, contacts you have a chance.
If you are hard hit financially, and most are, you have practically no choice other than risk it all and enter any way you can.
There are a few slots, but not nearly enough.
Programs like DACA are nothing to fuck around with lightly. The legal, ethical, and economic ramifications are tremendous.
This country does need to fix its borders, but it needs to fix its policies first. This administration has proven over and over
that it is more concerned about making the biggest splash than it is with thinking through sound policy.

...and so I bitch about it.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby smokedpeppers » Fri Sep 08, 3:07 am

i recall when clinton sent elián back .
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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Cat » Fri Sep 08, 1:06 pm

Old Fart wrote:Obama deported 3 million people. It'll be difficult for Trump to catch up. Fucking whiteys.


Hey asshole, actually its more like 5 million if you consider 8 years in office but one thing you forgot to mention old man is that Obama instructed immigration authorities to focus on violent criminals and those posing national security threats. Pres. Obama refined his directives in November 2014, and his deportation priorities then became members of gangs; those convicted of felonies or aggravated felonies; and those suspected of or engaged in terrorist or espionage activity. Another of his deportation priorities was to deport those who were caught trying to get into America illegally that didn't have long standing ties to any US community.
Additionally, The Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, reported that under Obama:
85 percent of the removals and returns during fiscal year 2016 were of noncitizens who had crossed the U.S. border unlawfully. Of the remainder, who were removed from the rest of the U.S. mainland interior, more than 90 percent had been convicted of what the DHS considers to be serious crimes.


This and Trump said he was "weak" on immigration to bullshit and appease his racist exclusionary white base with all that anti Mexican campaigning. Radically different from Obama's perspective. Hope that helped old man. You need schooling.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Old Fart » Fri Sep 08, 1:15 pm

Obama lied about only deporting violent criminals and he also got caught deporting DACA eligible children. He got caught and admitted it saying he had no responsibility for them being deported and Congress should do their job. So fuck off you sniveling cunt and shove your baseball bat up your vagina.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Cat » Fri Sep 08, 1:20 pm

Old and violent with imagery of baseball bats up vaginas. Scary thinking process there.

The therapy dogs haven't helped.

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Re: A White Nationalist in a Tainted White House

Postby Old Fart » Fri Sep 08, 2:24 pm

Cat wrote:Old and violent with imagery of baseball bats up vaginas. Scary thinking process there.

The therapy dogs haven't helped.


Yeah but you were wrong and it shut you up again so that makes it okay.


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