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What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Wed May 04, 9:24 pm

If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.
Black lives Matter and Islamic Terrorism are both threats to free speech and liberty.

Freedom of speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, a tyrant can wreak havoc unopposed, while his opponents are silenced.
Putting up with being offended is essential in a pluralistic society in which people differ on basic truths. If a group will not bear being offended without resorting to violence, that group will rule unopposed while everyone else lives in fear, while other groups curtail their activities to appease the violent group. This results in the violent group being able to tyrannize the others — which is what we are seeing in the world today.

Just saying.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby smokedpeppers » Wed May 04, 10:15 pm

free speech will never be suppressed as long as there's obama phones .

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby Rudy » Wed May 04, 10:17 pm

NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.
Black lives Matter and Islamic Terrorism are both threats to free speech and liberty.

Freedom of speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, a tyrant can wreak havoc unopposed, while his opponents are silenced.
Putting up with being offended is essential in a pluralistic society in which people differ on basic truths. If a group will not bear being offended without resorting to violence, that group will rule unopposed while everyone else lives in fear, while other groups curtail their activities to appease the violent group. This results in the violent group being able to tyrannize the others — which is what we are seeing in the world today.

Just saying.


Just sayin`...fuck off.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby Old Fart » Wed May 04, 11:05 pm

NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.
Black lives Matter and Islamic Terrorism are both threats to free speech and liberty.

Freedom of speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, a tyrant can wreak havoc unopposed, while his opponents are silenced.
Putting up with being offended is essential in a pluralistic society in which people differ on basic truths. If a group will not bear being offended without resorting to violence, that group will rule unopposed while everyone else lives in fear, while other groups curtail their activities to appease the violent group. This results in the violent group being able to tyrannize the others — which is what we are seeing in the world today.

Just saying.


You forgot to say someone helped you formulate your opinion. Word for word

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby chigusa » Wed May 04, 11:55 pm

NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.


I was born into western society and I don't have to accept or even necessarily believe that any of those things exist, why should some other poor bastard have to just because he turned up late to the party?

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby alpha » Thu May 05, 7:59 am

NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.
Black lives Matter and Islamic Terrorism are both threats to free speech and liberty.


Black Lives Matter is the essence of our free speech and islamic counter terrorism makes whats left of free speech in amerika fodder for our "snews"casts and papers. You'll mostly have to look to the internet to find free speech here anymore.

New,York New York wrote:If a group will not bear being offended without resorting to violence, that group will rule unopposed while everyone else lives in fear, while other groups curtail their activities to appease the violent group. This results in the violent group being able to tyrannize the others — which is what we are seeing in the world today.


No this most certainly isn't what we're seeing today, unless you're reading, or listening to that 'fodder' that's hardly 'free speech'. You're seeing violent groups bucking up with more violence, for the violence the violent society is dishing out, all for the solitary reason, that the offending country profits from it.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 3:17 pm

Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.
Black lives Matter and Islamic Terrorism are both threats to free speech and liberty.

Freedom of speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, a tyrant can wreak havoc unopposed, while his opponents are silenced.
Putting up with being offended is essential in a pluralistic society in which people differ on basic truths. If a group will not bear being offended without resorting to violence, that group will rule unopposed while everyone else lives in fear, while other groups curtail their activities to appease the violent group. This results in the violent group being able to tyrannize the others — which is what we are seeing in the world today.

Just saying.


Just sayin`...fuck off.


Against Free speech?

Or

For groups like Black Lives Matter and Islamic fundamentalists?

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 3:19 pm

alpha wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.
Black lives Matter and Islamic Terrorism are both threats to free speech and liberty.


Black Lives Matter is the essence of our free speech and islamic counter terrorism makes whats left of free speech in amerika fodder for our "snews"casts and papers. You'll mostly have to look to the internet to find free speech here anymore.

New,York New York wrote:If a group will not bear being offended without resorting to violence, that group will rule unopposed while everyone else lives in fear, while other groups curtail their activities to appease the violent group. This results in the violent group being able to tyrannize the others — which is what we are seeing in the world today.


No this most certainly isn't what we're seeing today, unless you're reading, or listening to that 'fodder' that's hardly 'free speech'. You're seeing violent groups bucking up with more violence, for the violence the violent society is dishing out, all for the solitary reason, that the offending country profits from it.


"You're seeing violent groups bucking up with more violence,"

You are describing the tactics of Black Lives matter as well as Islamic terrorists.

To describe a group (BLM) as the "essence" of free speech, is absolutely amazing to me.

Most of what I have seen and read about Black Lives Matter is how they like to shout down and interrupt others who are exercising THEIR free speech rights.

The proper way to describe them is they are the antithesis of free speech.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby Rudy » Thu May 05, 5:55 pm

NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.
Black lives Matter and Islamic Terrorism are both threats to free speech and liberty.


Just saying.


Just sayin`...fuck off.


Against Free speech?

Or

For groups like Black Lives Matter and Islamic fundamentalists?



I am against ignorant racist cunts who spew lies and fallacies.
That means you.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 6:02 pm

chigusa wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.


I was born into western society and I don't have to accept or even necessarily believe that any of those things exist, why should some other poor bastard have to just because he turned up late to the party?


You don't accept freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom to live your live the way you want to?

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 6:06 pm

Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:If any person or Group want to be welcomed into Western society, they must accept our values and way of life and freedoms.
Black lives Matter and Islamic Terrorism are both threats to free speech and liberty.


Just saying.


Just sayin`...fuck off.


Against Free speech?

Or

For groups like Black Lives Matter and Islamic fundamentalists?



I am against ignorant racist cunts who spew lies and fallacies.
That means you.


No Rudy. You are an intolerant asshole. If you believe you are fighting the good fight by defending racist groups then you need to
realize you are the racist cunt who spews lies and fallacies.

There is no lie in what I posted. It is happening in Europe. It is happening in the USA.

You are defending people that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

It isn't racist to tell the truth about the fascism and intolerance when it is practiced and preached by groups such as BLM and Muslims who want
to install Sharia law and "their" way of life upon the rest of us.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby Rudy » Thu May 05, 7:05 pm

I had no idea that Black Lives Matter, an American Civil Rights movement was interested in enforcing
Sharia law here in the states, and yet here you have lumped them all together with terrorists.
Quite a fucked up fallacy there, numbnuts.
Kinda like Jim Jones or sumpthin? What kinda KoolAide you mixing up here yorkie?

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby nemesystem » Thu May 05, 7:05 pm

lol free speech.,.

the thing alot of right wing idiots fail to understand is that there are consequences with free speech

Idiots like Trump would like to say whatever the fuck they want and not be held accountable.. and instead hide behind the US Constitution and claim their rights are being violated...

It's like going to an opposing team's stadium and talking shit and then expecting not to be fucked with.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby Cat » Thu May 05, 7:27 pm

The New Black Panther Party is a racist hate group NY NY. Not to be confused with the 1960's BPP which has no affiliation with the neo Black Panthers. Did that help? You seem confused.

BLM are in no way a racist group.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 7:31 pm

Cat wrote:The New Black Panther Party is a racist hate group NY NY. Not to be confused with the 1960's BPP which has no affiliation with the neo Black Panthers. Did that help? You seem confused.

BLM are in no way a racist group.


If you go to their website and read a few of their statements, the only race mentioned is Black.
No Spanish, no Indian, no Asian, etc.

They are most definitely a racist organization by their own words and deeds.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 7:33 pm

nemesystem wrote:lol free speech.,.

the thing alot of right wing idiots fail to understand is that there are consequences with free speech

Idiots like Trump would like to say whatever the fuck they want and not be held accountable.. and instead hide behind the US Constitution and claim their rights are being violated...

It's like going to an opposing team's stadium and talking shit and then expecting not to be fucked with.


Do you honestly believe this to be true only of right wingers?
If you do you aren't paying attention.

Free speech has consequences regardless of the politics one believes.
Lack of free speech has much more serious consequences than someone saying something with which you don't agree.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 7:37 pm

Rudy wrote:I had no idea that Black Lives Matter, an American Civil Rights movement was interested in enforcing
Sharia law here in the states, and yet here you have lumped them all together with terrorists.
Quite a fucked up fallacy there, numbnuts.
Kinda like Jim Jones or sumpthin? What kinda KoolAide you mixing up here yorkie?


That is clearly not what I said.

You are doomed to a future where your voice (if you have one other than being an internet asshole) could be silenced.

By Eugene Volokh September 22, 2015

A statement from the Wesleyan University administration:

"Debates can raise intense emotions, but that doesn’t mean that we should demand ideological conformity because people are made uncomfortable. As members of a university community, we always have the right to respond with our own opinions, but there is no right not to be offended. We certainly have no right to harass people because we don’t like their views. Censorship diminishes true diversity of thinking; vigorous debate enlivens and instructs."

Black lives Matter as well as militant Islam don't seek debate. They only seek their own voices/opinions and will silence anyone who dares to question anything about their statements. (Kind of like you Rudey)

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby Rudy » Thu May 05, 7:42 pm

Lol. Rich.
What does BlackLivesMatter need to do to be more palatable for you Nyuk?
Get vetted and approved by some white male dominated organization that you subscribe to?
IgnorantRacistCuntLivesMatter too you know.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

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NewYork, New York wrote:
Cat wrote:The New Black Panther Party is a racist hate group NY NY. Not to be confused with the 1960's BPP which has no affiliation with the neo Black Panthers. Did that help? You seem confused.

BLM are in no way a racist group.


If you go to their website and read a few of their statements, the only race mentioned is Black.
No Spanish, no Indian, no Asian, etc.

They are most definitely a racist organization by their own words and deeds.


When did it become racist to advocate politically for your specific race? Be out and proud.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

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NewYork, New York wrote:What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

We won't have to listen to you?

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby Cali Guy » Thu May 05, 9:26 pm

alpha wrote:Black Lives Matter is the essence of our free speech



Backing up your claim of getting huge laughs at a BLM protest by referring to President Obama as a “blackey”.


alpha wrote:You'll mostly have to look to the internet to find free speech here anymore.



Backing up your use of the term “blackey” here...and within your circle of “inbred racists” of course.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 9:44 pm

Rudy wrote:Lol. Rich.
What does BlackLivesMatter need to do to be more palatable for you Nyuk?
Get vetted and approved by some white male dominated organization that you subscribe to?
IgnorantRacistCuntLivesMatter too you know.


You shouldn't talk about yourself so much Rudey.

Does it make you feel better to call people racist based upon -0- evidence?
I didn't call them names, except for being racist.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu May 05, 9:47 pm

Cat wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Cat wrote:The New Black Panther Party is a racist hate group NY NY. Not to be confused with the 1960's BPP which has no affiliation with the neo Black Panthers. Did that help? You seem confused.

BLM are in no way a racist group.


If you go to their website and read a few of their statements, the only race mentioned is Black.
No Spanish, no Indian, no Asian, etc.

They are most definitely a racist organization by their own words and deeds.


When did it become racist to advocate politically for your specific race? Be out and proud.


Never. The problem with BLM is they shout down their opponents and don't allow others to speak.
You all know this. You have all read how they shouted down Bill Clinton.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

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NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:Lol. Rich.
What does BlackLivesMatter need to do to be more palatable for you Nyuk?
Get vetted and approved by some white male dominated organization that you subscribe to?
IgnorantRacistCuntLivesMatter too you know.


You shouldn't talk about yourself so much Rudey.

Does it make you feel better to call people racist based upon -0- evidence?
I didn't call them names, except for being racist.


You can't equate everything you dislike in America to Islamic Terrorism and define it as terrorism.

That`s what you did and that`s why you are catching my crap over it.

Dumbass.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

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NewYork, New York wrote:The problem with BLM is they shout down their opponents and don't allow others to speak.
You all know this. You have all read how they shouted down Bill Clinton.


I thought that was well played by the BLM activists as it got international attention and started a debate about the obvious flaws in Clinton's 1994 crime bill.

I found it amusing how angry Bill became. He should know better and so should YOU.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Fri May 06, 3:30 pm

Cat wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:The problem with BLM is they shout down their opponents and don't allow others to speak.
You all know this. You have all read how they shouted down Bill Clinton.


I thought that was well played by the BLM activists as it got international attention and started a debate about the obvious flaws in Clinton's 1994 crime bill.

I found it amusing how angry Bill became. He should know better and so should YOU.


It was "well played"? Not allowing free speech is amusing to you?
Maybe it would have been even more fun for you if they had rushed the stage and assaulted him too?

Yea, that's it. Screw Democracy,
just take whatever you want. Maybe we should toss the constitution, burn the Magna Carta and
go back to the rule of the fist?

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Fri May 06, 3:34 pm

Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:Lol. Rich.
What does BlackLivesMatter need to do to be more palatable for you Nyuk?
Get vetted and approved by some white male dominated organization that you subscribe to?
IgnorantRacistCuntLivesMatter too you know.


You shouldn't talk about yourself so much Rudey.

Does it make you feel better to call people racist based upon -0- evidence?
I didn't call them names, except for being racist.


You can't equate everything you dislike in America to Islamic Terrorism and define it as terrorism.

That`s what you did and that`s why you are catching my crap over it.

Dumbass.


Dumbass is:

Accusing someone for being a racist, simply because that person believes a certain political group is racist.
Accusing someone for being racist simply because they have the nerve to question the politics and tactics of militant Islamic
terrorists.

One reason for the abysmal state of US politics today is because we are FORBIDDEN to question anything about
Islam or groups like Black lives Matter. Regardless of their words, and especially regardless of their actions.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

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NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:Lol. Rich.
What does BlackLivesMatter need to do to be more palatable for you Nyuk?
Get vetted and approved by some white male dominated organization that you subscribe to?
IgnorantRacistCuntLivesMatter too you know.


You shouldn't talk about yourself so much Rudey.

Does it make you feel better to call people racist based upon -0- evidence?
I didn't call them names, except for being racist.


You can't equate everything you dislike in America to Islamic Terrorism and define it as terrorism.

That`s what you did and that`s why you are catching my crap over it.

Dumbass.


Dumbass is:

Accusing someone for being a racist, simply because that person believes a certain political group is racist.
Accusing someone for being racist simply because they have the nerve to question the politics and tactics of militant Islamic
terrorists.

One reason for the abysmal state of US politics today is because we are FORBIDDEN to question anything about
Islam or groups like Black lives Matter. Regardless of their words, and especially regardless of their actions.


I would love to question the politics and tactics of militant Islam with you darling.
I hate those cock-suckers to no fucking end.
Its your ability to group anyone that doesn't agree with your warped, racist views as a terrorist or anti-"American" that that I'm accusing you of.
Dumbfuck.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby NewYork, New York » Fri May 06, 4:31 pm

Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:Lol. Rich.
What does BlackLivesMatter need to do to be more palatable for you Nyuk?
Get vetted and approved by some white male dominated organization that you subscribe to?
IgnorantRacistCuntLivesMatter too you know.


You shouldn't talk about yourself so much Rudey.

Does it make you feel better to call people racist based upon -0- evidence?
I didn't call them names, except for being racist.


You can't equate everything you dislike in America to Islamic Terrorism and define it as terrorism.

That`s what you did and that`s why you are catching my crap over it.

Dumbass.


Dumbass is:

Accusing someone for being a racist, simply because that person believes a certain political group is racist.
Accusing someone for being racist simply because they have the nerve to question the politics and tactics of militant Islamic
terrorists.

One reason for the abysmal state of US politics today is because we are FORBIDDEN to question anything about
Islam or groups like Black lives Matter. Regardless of their words, and especially regardless of their actions.


I would love to question the politics and tactics of militant Islam with you darling.
I hate those cock-suckers to no fucking end.
Its your ability to group anyone that doesn't agree with your warped, racist views as a terrorist or anti-"American" that that I'm accusing you of.
Dumbfuck.


Right back at you Rudey. You are literally accusing me of racism because I don't agree with your BS.

You really need to calm down and breathe. MY warped racist views?

All I am doing is questioning (and rightly so) both Islam and the BLM movement.
Don't be such a race baiter dickhead.

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Re: What will happen when Free speech is suppressed?

Postby Rudy » Fri May 06, 4:59 pm

NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Rudy wrote:Lol. Rich.
What does BlackLivesMatter need to do to be more palatable for you Nyuk?
Get vetted and approved by some white male dominated organization that you subscribe to?
IgnorantRacistCuntLivesMatter too you know.


You shouldn't talk about yourself so much Rudey.

Does it make you feel better to call people racist based upon -0- evidence?
I didn't call them names, except for being racist.


You can't equate everything you dislike in America to Islamic Terrorism and define it as terrorism.

That`s what you did and that`s why you are catching my crap over it.

Dumbass.


Dumbass is:

Accusing someone for being a racist, simply because that person believes a certain political group is racist.
Accusing someone for being racist simply because they have the nerve to question the politics and tactics of militant Islamic
terrorists.

One reason for the abysmal state of US politics today is because we are FORBIDDEN to question anything about
Islam or groups like Black lives Matter. Regardless of their words, and especially regardless of their actions.


I would love to question the politics and tactics of militant Islam with you darling.
I hate those cock-suckers to no fucking end.
Its your ability to group anyone that doesn't agree with your warped, racist views as a terrorist or anti-"American" that that I'm accusing you of.
Dumbfuck.


Right back at you Rudey. You are literally accusing me of racism because I don't agree with your BS.

You really need to calm down and breathe. MY warped racist views?

All I am doing is questioning (and rightly so) both Islam and the BLM movement.
Don't be such a race baiter dickhead.


I know a lot of what you post is not your own words or thoughts.
However, the words and sentences you do choose to compose are quite often arranged and compiled in
an objectionable manner. I am obviously giving you the reaction you so desperately desire, and a platform for you to
continue your poorly executed witch hunts. I would think you might show me a bit more appreciation.
I have already wasted way more time with you than I should have knowing you will probably NEVER concede a single point, shut the
fuck up, or try to play fair.

I do appreciate you in that I am so happy not to be you.
It must be terribly difficult to manage day to day with SO many challenges to your inalienable American rights and freedoms of thought and speech.


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