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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby smokedpeppers » Wed Mar 16, 1:25 am

A (Not Quite) Complete List Of Things Supposedly Caused By Global Warming
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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Dazzler » Wed Mar 16, 8:49 am

Seriously, brah, what was the point in that?

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby smokedpeppers » Tue Apr 26, 2:37 am

bbc science page . pros and cons of rise in co2 levels .
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Hammer » Tue Apr 26, 11:27 am

smokedpeppers wrote:bbc science page . pros and cons of rise in co2 levels .
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346


Problem is, our President wants to end the debate. Of course that goes against scientific methods.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

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Hammer wrote:
smokedpeppers wrote:bbc science page . pros and cons of rise in co2 levels .
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346


Problem is, our President wants to end the debate. Of course that goes against scientific methods.


Not just Obama.

That pretentious angry jerk Alec Baldwin recently said anyone that doesn't believe in
global warming has a "mental illness".

You must agree that global warming is bad, or you will be sent to prison.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Dazzler » Wed Apr 27, 7:10 am

What do you think, Norks? Why are we still debating something for which reams of evidence is available without referring to that evidence?

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Wed Apr 27, 2:32 pm

Dazzler wrote:What do you think, Norks? Why are we still debating something for which reams of evidence is available without referring to that evidence?



Dizzy. You show me your "evidence" and I will show you mine.

We have been over this before. This "debate" has not been settled.
Global warming fascists such as yourself, don't want to believe anything other than biased science.

Don't forget the Hockey stick graph was totally debunked.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby worldcitizen1723 » Wed Apr 27, 9:47 pm

really??? still arguing about global warming??!!!

geez

fucking humans are doomed. hopefully the planet can fry them and stop their irritating behavior of destroying everything in sight

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Wed Apr 27, 9:58 pm

worldcitizen1723 wrote:really??? still arguing about global warming??!!!

geez

fucking humans are doomed. hopefully the planet can fry them and stop their irritating behavior of destroying everything in sight



Aren't you a human?

Just asking

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby smokedpeppers » Thu Apr 28, 12:20 am

Translation from the Dutch book review “Het Sprookje van een stabiel klimaat”
by Hans Labohm . Posted at http://climategate.nl/



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Re: Global warming anyone?

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NewYork, New York wrote:
worldcitizen1723 wrote:really??? still arguing about global warming??!!!

geez

fucking humans are doomed. hopefully the planet can fry them and stop their irritating behavior of destroying everything in sight



Aren't you a human?

Just asking
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Do you think the earth would thrive If mankind suddenly disappeared? As a religious person do you believe animals and all of earths resources were created for man?

I'm asking because I'm curious. I hope you know by now that I don't have a beef with religion on a personal level. To each their own.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

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Old Fart wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
worldcitizen1723 wrote:really??? still arguing about global warming??!!!

geez

fucking humans are doomed. hopefully the planet can fry them and stop their irritating behavior of destroying everything in sight



Aren't you a human?

Just asking
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Do you think the earth would thrive If mankind suddenly disappeared? As a religious person do you believe animals and all of earths resources were created for man?

I'm asking because I'm curious. I hope you know by now that I don't have a beef with religion on a personal level. To each their own.


It's fuckin' shaming on the human race that we're the only living things on the planet that wouldn't be missed if we got the flick!*

Peace, Des.

*Maybe wasps too! ... Cunts!

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby nemesystem » Thu Apr 28, 12:49 am

climate change is real.. just not as serious as the hippies would like you to think

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Hammer » Thu Apr 28, 5:37 am

I don't think many disbelieve that the earth's temp has risen a little over 1 degree over the last 120 years or so. What if the sun is putting out a little bit more heat during that same time frame? Who will deny that the earth would probably rise a little? Take your time and think this out. Rushing to judgement is stupid. WC is correct thinking humans are stupid. Just read the alarmist crap to prove her point. This article may open a mind or two. Doesn't have to prove anything, just interesting angle seldom examined. Article is 10 years old, but may shed additional light on this matter. I don't like people who are closed to additional info, but claim to be progressive? WTF?
Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms
By Jeanna Bryner , LiveScience Managing Editor | September 26, 2006 02:29pm ET
53 9 67 1 0 MORE


An image of a sunspot the size of the Earth, taken with the Swedish Solar Telescope.
Credit: Dr. Vasily Zakharov/Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research
The energy output from the Sun has increased significantly during the 20th century, according to a new study.

Many studies have attempted to determine whether there is an upward trend in the average magnitude of sunspots and solar flares over time, but few firm conclusions have been reached.

Now, an international team of researchers led by Ilya Usoskin of the Sodankylä Geophysical Observatory at the University of Oulu, Finland, may have the answer. They examined meteorites that had fallen to Earth over the past 240 years. By analyzing the amount of titanium 44, a radioactive isotope, the team found a significant increase in the Sun's radioactive output during the 20th century.


Over the past few decades, however, they found the solar activity has stabilized at this higher-than-historic level.

Prior research relied on measurements of certain radioactive elements within tree rings and in the ice sheets covering Greenland and Antarctica, which can be altered by terrestrial processes, not just by solar activity. The isotope measured in the new study is not affected by conditions on Earth. 

The results, detailed in this week's issue of the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics Letters, "confirm that there was indeed an increase in solar activity over the last 100 years or so," Usoskin told SPACE.com.

The average global temperature at Earth's surface has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1880. Some scientists debate whether the increase is part of a natural climate cycle or the result of greenhouse gases produced by cars and industrial processes.

The Sun's impact on climate has only recently been investigated. Recent studies show that an increase in solar output can cause short-term changes in Earth's climate, but there is no firm evidence linking solar activity with long-term climate effects.


- See more at: http://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity- ... kotsy.dpuf

Keep your mind open. Stop trying to read only what justifies your position. Humans have much to learn.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Apr 28, 2:41 pm

Old Fart wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
worldcitizen1723 wrote:really??? still arguing about global warming??!!!

geez

fucking humans are doomed. hopefully the planet can fry them and stop their irritating behavior of destroying everything in sight



Aren't you a human?

Just asking
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Do you think the earth would thrive If mankind suddenly disappeared? As a religious person do you believe animals and all of earths resources were created for man?

I'm asking because I'm curious. I hope you know by now that I don't have a beef with religion on a personal level. To each their own.


1. Odd question. If mankind disappeared, why would you or I care if the earth "thrived" since we wouldn't be here?

2. Not neccessarily.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Apr 28, 2:42 pm

nemesystem wrote:climate change is real.. just not as serious as the hippies would like you to think


You are correct sir.

The climate has changed since we were children.

The big questions is the reason WHY it has changed.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Apr 28, 2:44 pm

Hammer wrote:
Keep your mind open. Stop trying to read only what justifies your position. Humans have much to learn.


Say it again and say it loud.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Dazzler » Thu Apr 28, 4:13 pm

Hammer wrote:I don't think many disbelieve that the earth's temp has risen a little over 1 degree over the last 120 years or so. What if the sun is putting out a little bit more heat during that same time frame? Who will deny that the earth would probably rise a little? Take your time and think this out. Rushing to judgement is stupid. WC is correct thinking humans are stupid. Just read the alarmist crap to prove her point. This article may open a mind or two. Doesn't have to prove anything, just interesting angle seldom examined. Article is 10 years old, but may shed additional light on this matter. I don't like people who are closed to additional info, but claim to be progressive? WTF?
Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms
By Jeanna Bryner , LiveScience Managing Editor | September 26, 2006 02:29pm ET
53 9 67 1 0 MORE


An image of a sunspot the size of the Earth, taken with the Swedish Solar Telescope.
Credit: Dr. Vasily Zakharov/Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research
The energy output from the Sun has increased significantly during the 20th century, according to a new study.

Many studies have attempted to determine whether there is an upward trend in the average magnitude of sunspots and solar flares over time, but few firm conclusions have been reached.

Now, an international team of researchers led by Ilya Usoskin of the Sodankylä Geophysical Observatory at the University of Oulu, Finland, may have the answer. They examined meteorites that had fallen to Earth over the past 240 years. By analyzing the amount of titanium 44, a radioactive isotope, the team found a significant increase in the Sun's radioactive output during the 20th century.


Over the past few decades, however, they found the solar activity has stabilized at this higher-than-historic level.

Prior research relied on measurements of certain radioactive elements within tree rings and in the ice sheets covering Greenland and Antarctica, which can be altered by terrestrial processes, not just by solar activity. The isotope measured in the new study is not affected by conditions on Earth. 

The results, detailed in this week's issue of the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics Letters, "confirm that there was indeed an increase in solar activity over the last 100 years or so," Usoskin told SPACE.com.

The average global temperature at Earth's surface has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1880. Some scientists debate whether the increase is part of a natural climate cycle or the result of greenhouse gases produced by cars and industrial processes.

The Sun's impact on climate has only recently been investigated. Recent studies show that an increase in solar output can cause short-term changes in Earth's climate, but there is no firm evidence linking solar activity with long-term climate effects.


- See more at: http://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity- ... kotsy.dpuf

Keep your mind open. Stop trying to read only what justifies your position. Humans have much to learn.


http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-intermediate.htm

In fact, a number of independent measurements* of solar activity indicate the sun has shown a slight cooling trend since 1960, over the same period that global temperatures have been warming. Over the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been moving in opposite directions. An analysis of solar trends concluded that the sun has actually contributed a slight cooling influence in recent decades (Lockwood 2008)**.

*http://www.skepticalscience.com/acrim-pmod-sun-getting-hotter.htm
**http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/464/2094/1387.abstract


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The sun is not getting hotter.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Apr 28, 4:26 pm

Dazzler wrote:
Hammer wrote:I don't think many disbelieve that the earth's temp has risen a little over 1 degree over the last 120 years or so. What if the sun is putting out a little bit more heat during that same time frame? Who will deny that the earth would probably rise a little? Take your time and think this out. Rushing to judgement is stupid. WC is correct thinking humans are stupid. Just read the alarmist crap to prove her point. This article may open a mind or two. Doesn't have to prove anything, just interesting angle seldom examined. Article is 10 years old, but may shed additional light on this matter. I don't like people who are closed to additional info, but claim to be progressive? WTF?
Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms
By Jeanna Bryner , LiveScience Managing Editor | September 26, 2006 02:29pm ET
53 9 67 1 0 MORE


An image of a sunspot the size of the Earth, taken with the Swedish Solar Telescope.
Credit: Dr. Vasily Zakharov/Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research
The energy output from the Sun has increased significantly during the 20th century, according to a new study.

Many studies have attempted to determine whether there is an upward trend in the average magnitude of sunspots and solar flares over time, but few firm conclusions have been reached.

Now, an international team of researchers led by Ilya Usoskin of the Sodankylä Geophysical Observatory at the University of Oulu, Finland, may have the answer. They examined meteorites that had fallen to Earth over the past 240 years. By analyzing the amount of titanium 44, a radioactive isotope, the team found a significant increase in the Sun's radioactive output during the 20th century.


Over the past few decades, however, they found the solar activity has stabilized at this higher-than-historic level.

Prior research relied on measurements of certain radioactive elements within tree rings and in the ice sheets covering Greenland and Antarctica, which can be altered by terrestrial processes, not just by solar activity. The isotope measured in the new study is not affected by conditions on Earth. 

The results, detailed in this week's issue of the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics Letters, "confirm that there was indeed an increase in solar activity over the last 100 years or so," Usoskin told SPACE.com.

The average global temperature at Earth's surface has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1880. Some scientists debate whether the increase is part of a natural climate cycle or the result of greenhouse gases produced by cars and industrial processes.

The Sun's impact on climate has only recently been investigated. Recent studies show that an increase in solar output can cause short-term changes in Earth's climate, but there is no firm evidence linking solar activity with long-term climate effects.


- See more at: http://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity- ... kotsy.dpuf

Keep your mind open. Stop trying to read only what justifies your position. Humans have much to learn.


http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-intermediate.htm

In fact, a number of independent measurements* of solar activity indicate the sun has shown a slight cooling trend since 1960, over the same period that global temperatures have been warming. Over the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been moving in opposite directions. An analysis of solar trends concluded that the sun has actually contributed a slight cooling influence in recent decades (Lockwood 2008)**.

*http://www.skepticalscience.com/acrim-pmod-sun-getting-hotter.htm
**http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/464/2094/1387.abstract


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The sun is not getting hotter.


Nowhere does this article say "the sun is getting hotter".

Try again.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Dazzler » Thu Apr 28, 5:01 pm

No, it doesn't. It does say 'an increase in solar output', which is the same thing to people who can read.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Apr 28, 5:05 pm

Dazzler wrote:No, it doesn't. It does say 'an increase in solar output', which is the same thing to people who can read.


Pretty sure it doesn't connect the thoughts of "increase solar output" and "the sun is getting hotter".

Try again. You are confused.

You don't even know why you believe in Global warming. Probably because "somebody said it was so".

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NewYork, New York wrote:
Dazzler wrote:No, it doesn't. It does say 'an increase in solar output', which is the same thing to people who can read.


Pretty sure it doesn't connect the thoughts of "increase solar output" and "the sun is getting hotter".

Try again. You are confused.


Haha.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

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Dazzler wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Dazzler wrote:No, it doesn't. It does say 'an increase in solar output', which is the same thing to people who can read.


Pretty sure it doesn't connect the thoughts of "increase solar output" and "the sun is getting hotter".

Try again. You are confused.


Haha.


For someone who is so sure global warming is caused by human activity, you seem to have a
tenuous grasp on the subject.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Hammer » Thu Apr 28, 5:56 pm

You would think solar activity and sun temperature are the same, but the sun has cooled slightly while solar activity has increased. I just think the discussion should continue until we(humans) are as smart and all knowing as we act. We probably are just beginning to learn and understand the universe we live in. A tiny bit. We can still do better than arguing needlessly amongst ourselves by being prudent about our filthy habits(pollution), which helps all of this planet, while we keep educating ourselves how to survive any and all changes we encounter.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Apr 28, 5:56 pm

All of you global warming fans. (Especially WC and Dazzler).

I have a question for you. Are you ready to eat bugs for breakfast? Bare minimum are you going Vegan?

Read below:

Swedish Govt Spends Millions Telling Citizens To Eat Insects To End Global Warming

by OLIVER JJ LANE28 Apr 2016150
The Swedish government is showing their commitment to green principles and fighting climate change by spending tax payer money on developing ‘meat’ made out of crickets and mealworms.

Vinnova, the Swedish government agency that distributes money for research and development, spending some 2.7 billion kronor (£230 million) a year has announced its latest tranche of funding for creating a greener, more sustainable future — by weaning Europe off meat. It is hoped people will want to eat a so-called “climate smart” diet instead, reports FriaTider.

Green activists and the United Nations are behind such political initiatives as ‘Meat Free Mondays’ — a gateway to full vegetarianism — which are based on the premise that meat consumption is driving man-made climate change. Another method to reduce that so-called burden on the earth is replacing meat protein with that harvested from insects instead.

A patron shows a grasshopper burger piled high with dried crickets and mealworms June 4, 2014 during a global Pestaurant event sponsored by Ehrlich Pest Control, held at the Occidental Restaurant in Washington, DC. For one day only, pop-up Pestaurants will appear in cities across the globe to offer sweet and savoury edible insects, grasshopper burgers and much more. Ehrlich Pest Control will be donating $5 USD to DC Central Kitchen for every person who eats something at the event. AFP PHOTO / Karen BLEIER (Photo credit should read KAREN BLEIER/AFP/Getty Images)
Future food: a barbecued grasshopper burger topped with artificial cheese and crunchy insects / Getty

To that end, Vinnova is awarding half a million kronor each to fifteen different projects across the country, each of which tasked with creating an “edible prototype” of a new food.

Among the mouth-watering projects being funded are an attempt to produce a “good and healthy product from mealworms which are fed on vegetable food scraps to become a climate friendly source of protein”, “food prototypes” made from “refined mealworms”, and mincemeat made out of “climate smart insects” such as crickets.

Other enticing offerings not involving insects include “climate-fungal protein”, a “healthy vegetarian barbecue” made from by-products” and “fibrous raw materials”, and a “blue cheese-like product” made from beans.

A competition in November will select the best product, with a potential of an extra two million kronor investment from the government to get the “food” off the ground.

Speaking on the reasons for launching the initiative in their press release, Vinnova explains that insect-based nourishment will reduce food miles by encouraging interest in food grown in Sweden. They said: “Vinnova make an effort to develop climate-friendly proteins to help develop innovative, healthy and delicious food for the future, as an alternative to conventional meat production.

“The projects can also increase the Swedish food industry’s competitiveness by products that are developed based on raw materials that can be produced cost-effectively in Sweden”.

This is not the first time Sweden has attempted to kick-start interest in this food of the future. Last year the city of Stockholm launched a “climate-smart” cookbook which advocated insect larvae as an “environmentally friendly” pizza topping. According to press surrounding the release of the book “larvae tastes good! Freeze Dried caterpillars taste like cashew nuts with a gentle tone of the yolk”.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Apr 28, 6:02 pm

Hammer wrote:You would think solar activity and sun temperature are the same, but the sun has cooled slightly while solar activity has increased. I just think the discussion should continue until we(humans) are as smart and all knowing as we act. We probably are just beginning to learn and understand the universe we live in. A tiny bit. We can still do better than arguing needlessly amongst ourselves by being prudent about our filthy habits(pollution), which helps all of this planet, while we keep educating ourselves how to survive any and all changes we encounter.


Quite thoughtful and reasonable of you Hammer.

Nobody (including me) is a fan of pollution in any form.

However, to make major changes to the world economy,
to force poorer citizens to spend ever more on food (organic farming yields are abysmal compared to crops grown with modern fertilizer)
or to spend more on their energy needs (solar and wind are VERY expensive alternatives) all based upon
a scientific theory that is far from being proven is madness.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't explore alternative farming methods nor alternative energy sources. It just means don't make major changes,
until we are more sure of exactly what is causing this increase in temperature around the globe. It could be from human behavior, just as much as it could be that the climate changes over the centuries and has done so since the beginning of time.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

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NewYork, New York wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Dazzler wrote:No, it doesn't. It does say 'an increase in solar output', which is the same thing to people who can read.


Pretty sure it doesn't connect the thoughts of "increase solar output" and "the sun is getting hotter".

Try again. You are confused.


Haha.


For someone who is so sure global warming is caused by human activity, you seem to have a
tenuous grasp on the subject.


The sun outputs heat and light. We've already established that its heat output is not increasing. Is it the light that's causing the warming then?

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Hammer » Thu Apr 28, 6:08 pm

Don't be afraid of nutrition of the future. We may see lots of changes in our diet as a result of introducing new types of protein, carbs, and all the elements we require for optimal health. It may be much healthier too, even if the thought disgusts you. Humans of the future will need to change their habits(eating and other) to survive synergistically with the rest of the planet. A new concept, but I believe we are smart enough to know if we don't, we will be the next extinct species.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Apr 28, 6:24 pm

Dazzler wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
NewYork, New York wrote:
Dazzler wrote:No, it doesn't. It does say 'an increase in solar output', which is the same thing to people who can read.


Pretty sure it doesn't connect the thoughts of "increase solar output" and "the sun is getting hotter".

Try again. You are confused.


Haha.


For someone who is so sure global warming is caused by human activity, you seem to have a
tenuous grasp on the subject.


The sun outputs heat and light. We've already established that its heat output is not increasing. Is it the light that's causing the warming then?


The earths climate has changed many times during the past several thousand years.

During the dinosaur age the earth was hot. Then we had the ice age. Then it started warming again. Then it got colder in the 17th and 18th centuries. (These changes may be out of order. The point is the climate changes gradually over the years).

We really don't know what is causing this latest warming trend just yet is a much more reasonable approach than the fascism of people such as you and Alec Baldwin who believe the science is settled on this highly complicated subject.

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Re: Global warming anyone?

Postby Banks » Thu Apr 28, 6:44 pm

NewYork, New York wrote:However, to make major changes to the world economy,
to force poorer citizens to spend ever more on food (organic farming yields are abysmal compared to crops grown with modern fertilizer)
or to spend more on their energy needs (solar and wind are VERY expensive alternatives) all based upon
a scientific theory that is far from being proven is madness.

Yes, madness indeed. They could be investing that money...


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