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Postby des » Sat Aug 03, 8:28 am

Fracking's been in the news a lot recently ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23558267

Seeing as Cuadrilla have plans to drill just off the coast of Blackpool, should I be concerned?


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Postby Frosted » Sat Aug 03, 1:27 pm

http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/gasland/index.html

PART II

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/


Review of Gasland
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gasland/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasland

Gasland is a 2010 American documentary written and directed by Josh Fox. Nominated for an Academy Award for Best Documentary in 2011, the film focuses on communities in the United States impacted by natural gas drilling and, specifically, a method of horizontal drilling into shale formations known as slickwater fracking.

Fox narrates his reception of a letter in May, 2008, from a natural gas company offering to lease his family's land in Milanville, Pennsylvania for $100,000 to drill for gas.[1] This claim has been challenged by Energy In Depth, which has stated that the lease to which Fox refers in the movie was never offered and did not provide a $100,000 offer.[2] Fox then set out to see how communities are being affected in the west where a natural gas drilling boom has been underway for the last decade. He spent time with citizens in their homes and on their land as they relayed their stories of natural gas drilling in Colorado, Wyoming, Utah and Texas, among others. He spoke with residents who have experienced a variety of chronic health problems directly traceable to contamination of their air, of their water wells or of surface water. In some instances, the residents are reporting that they obtained a court injunction or settlement monies from gas companies to replace the affected water supplies with potable water or water purification kits.[3]

Throughout the documentary, Fox reached out to scientists, politicians and gas industry executives and ultimately found himself in the halls of Congress as a subcommittee was discussing the Fracturing Responsibility and Awareness of Chemicals Act, "a bill to amend the Safe Drinking Water Act to repeal a certain exemption for hydraulic fracturing."[4] Hydraulic fracturing was exempted from the Safe Drinking Water Act in the Energy Policy Act of 2005.


https://www.facebook.com/gaslandmovie

This one seems to fluff off...fracking...as its the technology...we are afraid of

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 ... -progress/

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Postby Frosted » Sat Aug 03, 2:02 pm

This is also Bullshit........


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... eleU&pbx=1


Mayflower AK.......

On March 29 an Exxon Mobil pipeline carrying Canadian crude oil burst, leading to the evacuation of 22 homes. At least 60 homes total are said to be affected.

'About 600 people are responding to the incident in addition to federal, state and local responders,' Exxon said in a statement reporting their progress on Friday.


Here is the Images page

http://www.google.com/search?q=mayflowe ... 24&bih=515


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Mayflower_oil_spill

The 2013 Mayflower oil spill occurred on March 29, 2013, when an ExxonMobil pipeline carrying Canadian Wabasca heavy crude from the Athabasca oil sands ruptured in Mayflower, Arkansas, about 25 miles northwest of Little Rock. Approximately 12,000 barrels (1,900 m3) of oil mixed with water had been recovered by March 31. Twenty-two homes were evacuated.[1] The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified the leak as a major spill.[2] A reported 5,000−7,000 barrels of crude were spilled.[3][4]

Exxon's Pegasus pipeline carries 95,000 barrels per day (15,100 m3/d) of crude a distance of 850 miles (1368 km) from Patoka, Illinois to Nederland, Texas. The pipeline is twenty inches in diameter and is buried an average of twenty-four inches below ground.[5] On April 2, 2013, PHMSA, the federal pipeline regulator, issued a corrective action order until repairs have been completed and all safety concerns addressed.[6]

Early images from local media showed crude oil running along a suburban street and across lawns. The pipeline was shut after the leak was discovered on March 29. Twenty-two homes were evacuated. The oil flowed into storm drains leading to nearby Lake Conway, a fishing lake. First responders, including fire fighters, city employees, county road crews and police built dikes to block culverts and stop the crude from fouling the lake. Exxon deployed 3,600 feet of containment boom around the lake. Exxon said that by early morning on March 30 there was no more oil spilling from the pipeline and trucks were there to assist with the cleanup. Residents of the homes evacuated were allowed to temporarily return to their homes escorted by police to retrieve personal items. Exxon set up a claims hotline for affected residents. Officials from the EPA and the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) initiated an investigation of the spill.[1]

There have been varying estimates of how much crude spilled. Initially ExxonMobil did not state an exact amount. On March 30, the company reported that 4,500 barrels of oil mixed with water had been recovered. The following day the company said 12,000 barrels of oil and water had been recovered. The company was unable to estimate how much of the total was oil and how much water.[1] On April 10, UPI reported that around 5,000 barrels (approximately 235,000 gallons or 893,000 litres) of oil were spilled but quoted Exxon as saying that the final volume would not be known until after the pipeline was repaired and refilled.[3]

On April 1, 2013, the Federal Aviation Administration announced it was closing the airspace from the ground to 1,000 feet (300 m) over the disaster area; the restriction spanned a 5-mile (8.0 km) radius.[7] The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported that the FAA's restriction stated "only relief aircraft operations under direction of Tom Suhrhoff" were permitted to enter the designated airspace. Surhrhoff was identified as an "aviation advisor" to ExxonMobil.[8] Accusations have been made that this is part of an effort by Exxon to cover-up the true damage of the spill from journalists.[9][10] On April 3rd the FAA changed the restriction level to allow media access stating the media should not have been restricted from this type of incident, also claiming FAA was responsible for the error.[11] The flight restrictions over Mayflower were cancelled on April 5.[12][13]

On April 2, PHMSA issued a corrective action order to ExxonMobil Pipeline Co. preventing ExxonMobil from restarting operations on the affected segment of the pipeline until it is satisfied with repairs and all safety concerns have been addressed. According to the order: "continued operation of the Pegasus Pipeline would be hazardous to life, property, and the environment." Arkansas' Attorney General Dustin McDaniel promised a state investigation into the cause and impact of the spill. In a letter to ExxonMobil McDaniel stated: "There are many questions and concerns remaining as to the long-term impacts, environmental or otherwise, from this spill," He asked ExxonMobil to preserve records pending his investigation.[6]

For several days after the spill, local residents complained about the "horrible smell" of the diluted bitumen.[14] Air quality monitoring has been conducted by the EPA and ExxonMobil and posted online by the Arkansas Department of Environmental Quality. According to Fox 16 News, the air quality readings have been reviewed by the Arkansas Department of Health and are below levels that will cause health effects for the general population except in cleanup areas where emergency responders are working

There has been some controversy over the exact nature of the substance spilled in Mayflower. On April 5, the Environmental Protection Agency sent a request for more information about Wabasca Heavy—the oil that spilled on the Pegasus line on March 29. The EPA's question was: "Can the oil accurately be described as tar sands oil, or a type of diluted bitumen (dilbit)?" In his response on April 10, Richard Byrne, Exxon's assistant chief attorney of environmental and safety law stated: "Canadian producers report their production of Wabasca Heavy as bitumen."[17] This contradicts statements by company officials that the substance spilled was simply "heavy oil," not tar sands bitumen. However, the Material Safety Data Sheet for the product confirms that the Wabasca Heavy is bitumen mixed with hydrocarbon diluents

Since the spill on March 29, there have been conflicting reports as to whether the tar sands oil has reached Lake Conway. Official reports have indicated that there is no oil in Lake Conway, but an independent study claims to have samples showing oil in the water column. Scott Smith of Opflex, an oil clean-up company, states that official samples are of surface water only: “Exxon and the EPA are taking instantaneous water samples, grab samples from the surface. Obviously if the contaminants in tar sands oil, and chemicals, are in the water column beneath the surface you’re not going to get any of those molecules to test.â€￾ Keith Stephens of Arkansas Game and Fish has countered these findings, pointing out that there have been no dead fish or other wildlife that would indicate that there is oil in the main body of the lake

While initial reports of air quality by the Arkansas Department of Health did not reveal levels that were of concern for health effects, monitoring by a citizens group has revealed significant readings of toxic chemicals. According to a representative of the Sierra Club: "Total toxic hydrocarbons were detected at more than 88,000 parts per billion in the ambient air."[20] Exxon reported detecting benzene and other harmful chemicals in early sampling at Mayflower but said air and water quality was within safe limits. However, the report, released by the Faulkner Citizens Advisory Group, said residents were still showing symptoms of exposure to harmful chemicals, including benzene and toluene, more than four weeks after the spill.

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Postby worldcitizen1723 » Sat Aug 03, 3:15 pm

be worried des..

fracking is the bury your head in the sand/ destroy the environment energy alternative...

we are in soo doomed following this path

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Postby jerkypete49 » Sat Aug 03, 4:44 pm

worldcitizen1723 wrote:be worried des..

fracking is the bury your head in the sand/ destroy the environment energy alternative...

we are in soo doomed following this path


Yup.

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Postby smokedpeppers » Sat Aug 03, 7:16 pm

fracking seems the sexy alternative to opec, saudi oil minister recently
complained about the industries growing market share

imo this isn't going anywhere till something akin to japan happens

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Postby des » Sat Aug 03, 7:53 pm

smokedpeppers wrote:fracking seems the sexy alternative to opec, saudi oil minister recently
complained about the industries growing market share

imo this isn't going anywhere till something akin to japan happens


It would be sweet to tell the Saudis to shove their oil (and human rights abuses) up their arses, but as our governments and big businesses have proven themselves to be greedy lying bastards time and time again, I doubt there's anybody left who believes a fuckin' word they say!

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Postby Frosted » Sat Aug 03, 7:59 pm

smokedpeppers wrote:fracking seems the sexy alternative to opec, saudi oil minister recently
complained about the industries growing market share

imo this isn't going anywhere till something akin to japan happens



100 % correct

My state, has several reactors....most people have no idea, that...
is how our elect. is made.

Totally Clueless about the dangers.

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Postby smokedpeppers » Sun Aug 04, 3:52 am

attached site covers many subjects, here's 157 anti fracking reads
http://www.propublica.org/series/fracking

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Postby des » Sun Aug 04, 5:00 am

Francis Egan, CEO of Cuadrilla, defends the fracking process and says there are many misconceptions about it ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rilla.html

Billions in tax revenue and tens of thousands of jobs according to Mr Egan!


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Postby Dazzler » Sun Aug 04, 10:36 am

des wrote:Francis Egan, CEO of Cuadrilla, defends the fracking process and says there are many misconceptions about it ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rilla.html

Billions in tax revenue and tens of thousands of jobs according to Mr Egan!


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Well if he says it's ok, I suppose it must be.

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Postby des » Sun Aug 04, 2:31 pm

Dazzler wrote:
des wrote:Francis Egan, CEO of Cuadrilla, defends the fracking process and says there are many misconceptions about it ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rilla.html

Billions in tax revenue and tens of thousands of jobs according to Mr Egan!


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Well if he says it's ok, I suppose it must be.


I wouldn't trust the cunt as far as I could throw him, but his bollocks might go down well in a place like Blackpool, with its high rate of unemployment and minimum wage jobs for those lucky enough to be in work?

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Postby worldcitizen1723 » Sun Aug 04, 2:40 pm

des wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
des wrote:Francis Egan, CEO of Cuadrilla, defends the fracking process and says there are many misconceptions about it ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rilla.html

Billions in tax revenue and tens of thousands of jobs according to Mr Egan!


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Well if he says it's ok, I suppose it must be.


I wouldn't trust the cunt as far as I could throw him, but his bollocks might go down well in a place like Blackpool, with its high rate of unemployment and minimum wage jobs for those lucky enough to be in work?

Peace, Des.


isn't that they way to get things done? Just engage with the poor, less educated masses with promises of money and jobs. ignore the facts about ruining the land, ground water, fishing and dangle money....

they got the peoples trained right well, i'd say.

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Postby Frosted » Sun Aug 04, 4:22 pm

Did any one watch

gasland....and or gasland II

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Postby smokedpeppers » Sun Aug 04, 5:29 pm

des wrote:a place like Blackpool, with its high rate of unemployment and minimum wage jobs for those lucky enough to be in work?

Peace, Des.


rule of thumb seems, for locals, the jobs created will be 'industry support' related

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Postby des » Sun Aug 04, 6:53 pm

worldcitizen1723 wrote:
des wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
des wrote:Francis Egan, CEO of Cuadrilla, defends the fracking process and says there are many misconceptions about it ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rilla.html

Billions in tax revenue and tens of thousands of jobs according to Mr Egan!


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Well if he says it's ok, I suppose it must be.


I wouldn't trust the cunt as far as I could throw him, but his bollocks might go down well in a place like Blackpool, with its high rate of unemployment and minimum wage jobs for those lucky enough to be in work?

Peace, Des.


isn't that they way to get things done? Just engage with the poor, less educated masses with promises of money and jobs. ignore the facts about ruining the land, ground water, fishing and dangle money....

they got the peoples trained right well, i'd say.


As Bob Dylan said ... "If you ain't got nothing, you've got nothing to lose"

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Postby worldcitizen1723 » Sun Aug 04, 7:28 pm

des wrote:
worldcitizen1723 wrote:
des wrote:
Dazzler wrote:
des wrote:Francis Egan, CEO of Cuadrilla, defends the fracking process and says there are many misconceptions about it ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rilla.html

Billions in tax revenue and tens of thousands of jobs according to Mr Egan!


Peace, Des.


Well if he says it's ok, I suppose it must be.


I wouldn't trust the cunt as far as I could throw him, but his bollocks might go down well in a place like Blackpool, with its high rate of unemployment and minimum wage jobs for those lucky enough to be in work?

Peace, Des.


isn't that they way to get things done? Just engage with the poor, less educated masses with promises of money and jobs. ignore the facts about ruining the land, ground water, fishing and dangle money....

they got the peoples trained right well, i'd say.


As Bob Dylan said ... "If you ain't got nothing, you've got nothing to lose"

Peace, Des.


I think the context may have been a bit different
But the corporate world really learned how to use it against the people

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Postby Frosted » Sun Aug 04, 8:19 pm

Frosted wrote:Did any one watch

gasland....and or gasland II



Its a doc. about fracking, what was told to the people
and how it all changed, after the money, changed hands

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Postby worldcitizen1723 » Sun Aug 04, 9:23 pm

Frosted wrote:
Frosted wrote:Did any one watch

gasland....and or gasland II



Its a doc. about fracking, what was told to the people
and how it all changed, after the money, changed hands


Yeah. It was done really well. Scarey stuff what humans are doing to their little home planet.

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Postby smokedpeppers » Tue Aug 06, 2:18 pm

report seems to think fracking been going on off the coast of calf. for the
last 15yrs . allegedly the left coasts coastal commission was unaware, until
recently, that the seafloor was being fracked . ap.org

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Postby smokedpeppers » Wed Aug 07, 1:30 am

ammonia, reads like the fuel of the future, even in our air, we'll frack the air next
ammonia fracking machine floating in every meighborhood . newscientist.com

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Postby Bohannon » Wed Aug 07, 3:08 am

I sure wish that there was some giant hydrogen engine floating in the sky that would supply us with and endless supply of free energy ...oh wait....

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Postby chigusa » Wed Aug 07, 9:18 am

Bohannon wrote:I sure wish that there was some giant hydrogen engine floating in the sky that would supply us with and endless supply of free energy ...oh wait....



hippy.

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Postby des » Fri Aug 09, 6:49 am

We are missing out on half price gas, according to David Cameron ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sites.html

Who believes their gas bill will halve if we allow fracking? He must think we're all fucking idiots!


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Postby chigusa » Fri Aug 09, 8:40 am

destroy all shareholders. remove those dirty shitholes from the equation and we will all have properly priced gas.
boil the new overlord.

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Postby Dazzler » Fri Aug 09, 9:13 am

des wrote:We are missing out on half price gas, according to David Cameron ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sites.html

Who believes their gas bill will halve if we allow fracking? He must think we're all fucking idiots!


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Nah, it'll get exported. If the cunts hadn't sold off all of our infrastructure and energy utilities to our European competitors, it might not have been such a fucking problem.

Still, if all else fails at least you can set fire to your tapwater.

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0 ... 14,00.html

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Postby worldcitizen1723 » Fri Aug 09, 9:44 am

Dazzler wrote:
des wrote:We are missing out on half price gas, according to David Cameron ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sites.html

Who believes their gas bill will halve if we allow fracking? He must think we're all fucking idiots!


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Nah, it'll get exported. If the cunts hadn't sold off all of our infrastructure and energy utilities to our European competitors, it might not have been such a fucking problem.

Still, if all else fails at least you can set fire to your tapwater.

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0 ... 14,00.html



Works great when ya run out of lighters!
The promised silver lining!

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Postby des » Fri Aug 09, 10:46 am

chigusa wrote:destroy all shareholders. remove those dirty shitholes from the equation and we will all have properly priced gas.
boil the new overlord.


Gas , leccy and water should all be renationalised! Claims that privatisation would force prices down through competition was one of the 'Big Lies' we fell for back in the Eighties!

The only competition there seems to be is who can arse rape you for the most fuckin' money!


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Postby des » Fri Aug 09, 10:52 am

Dazzler wrote:Still, if all else fails at least you can set fire to your tapwater.l


Fun at first, but I bet you'd soon get pissed off with your water smelling of farts!

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