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Postby Cat » Sun Mar 12, 10:58 am

The far right lost in Austria a few months ago, and now lets see what happens with populism in NL...and Italy, Germany and France.

"But Dutch-style populism is based on a paradox. While some people hate conservative Muslims for their views on women and gays, others, who feel adrift in this more secular age, look to a leader like Mr. Wilders to bring back the old certainties of a more traditional and ethnically homogeneous society.
The kind of free-spirited liberalism that made Amsterdam a magnet for the backpackers of the Western world was always concentrated in the cities along the North Sea coast. It’s telling that Mr. Wilders hails from Limburg, a largely Catholic province in the southern hinterlands, bordering Belgium and Germany."

"Mr. Wilders, a former punk rocker whose maternal family is partly Indonesian, might seem an odd figure to purify the identity of a largely Protestant trading nation with a long tradition of allowing people of different faiths and persuasions to live in relative peace. But what he has in common with his followers is a seething rage against people he suspects of thinking they’re better than him.
This may not be sufficient to make him prime minister, but the politics of fury have done plenty of damage already."

More here... NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/opinion/sunday/how-the-dutch-stopped-being-decent-and-dull.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0

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Re: NL Election

Postby slither » Sun Mar 12, 8:18 pm

Cat wrote: "Mr. Wilders, a former punk rocker... "


LMFAO!

As if.

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Re: NL Election

Postby Cat » Mon Mar 13, 2:19 pm

All that hostile rhetoric from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan should drive all those PVV voters ape shit and out to the polls on Wed.

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Re: NL Election

Postby Cat » Thu Mar 16, 10:17 am

Looks like "populism" was kicked to the curb or at least stalled.
With 28 parties to chose from, and governance by coalition which can blunt the impact of extremist parties, I give a thumbs up to the Dutch system.
I don't think Americans could wait months for a government to form.

80 % of eligible voters turned out. Impressive.

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Re: NL Election

Postby alpha » Thu Mar 16, 5:28 pm

Cat wrote:I don't think Americans could wait months for a government to form.


We've been quite patient, since we've been waiting centuries for the government, we learned about in school, to form and by golly we're still waiting.
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Cat wrote:80 % of eligible voters turned out. Impressive.


Ridiculously low, when you consider they actually had viable choices, within the framework of a government 'of and for the people'. Something the feds have never embraced idealistically and with the framework they've forced into place won't even have to, ever again.

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Re: NL Election

Postby Generous_J » Fri Mar 17, 12:34 am

80% is very impressive.

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Re: NL Election

Postby Dazzler » Fri Mar 17, 10:05 am

British election turnout was last over 80% in 1951. So yeah, for a country where voting isn't compulsory, that's very good.

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Re: NL Election

Postby Cat » Fri Mar 17, 10:30 am

Yep, protest votes are fun (Brexit-Trump), but as we've seen they can lead to uncertainties that are quite painful. I think the Dutch tuned into that when they went to the polls.

Its definitely a year of political reckoning across the pond.

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Re: NL Election

Postby smokedpeppers » Sat Mar 18, 9:25 pm

those folks across the pond have a long heritage of individualism
and rightly, 'you can't rebuild your culture with other peoples babies'

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Re: NL Election

Postby Cat » Sun Mar 19, 10:21 am

smokedpeppers wrote: 'you can't rebuild your culture with other peoples babies'


What culture? Its a White Nationalist argument.

You'll never stop people from migrating so you're better off creating social welfare programs to deal with it. Don't be afraid.

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Re: NL Election

Postby smokedpeppers » Sun Mar 19, 5:59 pm

Cat wrote:
smokedpeppers wrote:What culture?


whomever's culture is being transformed by a massive influx of another culture . especially when this migrating culture demands the host change laws to accommodate . does seem totally contrary to all we've come to understand as proper voyager etiquette .

and regarding this lame 'White Nationalist' spew . this side of the pond, carry your ass south of our border and demand change, you'll encounter a brown version of heritage preservation .

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Re: NL Election

Postby nemesystem » Sun Mar 19, 8:32 pm

eurocentrism.... no bueno

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Re: NL Election

Postby bogart » Mon Mar 20, 7:00 am

Cat wrote:Looks like "populism" was kicked to the curb or at least stalled.
With 28 parties to chose from, and governance by coalition which can blunt the impact of extremist parties, I give a thumbs up to the Dutch system.
I don't think Americans could wait months for a government to form.

80 % of eligible voters turned out. Impressive.


That's great fucking news. I hope the French follow form.

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Re: NL Election

Postby Dazzler » Mon Mar 20, 10:52 am

smokedpeppers wrote:
Cat wrote:
smokedpeppers wrote:What culture?



and regarding this lame 'White Nationalist' spew . this side of the pond, carry your ass south of our border and demand change, you'll encounter a brown version of heritage preservation .


Ah, right, That's fine then.

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Re: NL Election

Postby smokedpeppers » Tue Mar 21, 3:12 am

a mass influx of anything upsets the status quo . a trickle can be readily absorbed
maybe as a people, we might cut back on spreading so much democracy, it seems to spook the locals .

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Re: NL Election

Postby smokedpeppers » Thu Mar 23, 11:03 pm

The Dutch Elections and the Looming Crisis
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/ ... 12257.html

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Re: NL Election

Postby Cat » Wed Mar 29, 7:59 pm

I don't see any countries following Britain out of the EU and populist parties are seemingly dropping in the polls. The new thesis is that most Europeans don't like all the chaos they're seeing on the right with division in Britain and turmoil and ineffectiveness in the Trump Administration, and as tentative evidence the pro European candidate in France is presently leading in the polls.

How does disengaging, isolation and turning inward improve one's standing in the world? Was Britain really on the crest of a populist wave, or has it just walked itself off a cliff?

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Re: NL Election

Postby Generous_J » Wed Mar 29, 10:34 pm

Cat wrote:Was Britain really on the crest of a populist wave, or has it just walked itself off a cliff?


Both.

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Re: NL Election

Postby alpha » Sat Apr 01, 5:28 am

Generous_J wrote:
Cat wrote:Was Britain really on the crest of a populist wave, or has it just walked itself off a cliff?


Both.


Neither.

But what's truly amazing still is the utter proof the British people have a say in the destiny of their nation. That's a class act!

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Re: NL Election

Postby des » Sat Apr 01, 8:43 am

alpha wrote:
Generous_J wrote:
Cat wrote:Was Britain really on the crest of a populist wave, or has it just walked itself off a cliff?


Both.


Neither.

But what's truly amazing still is the utter proof the British people have a say in the destiny of their nation. That's a class act!


It was almost worth voting Brexit just to see the look on Donald Tusk's face when our Ambassador handed him the letter triggering Article 50!

I've not laughed that hard in years!


Peace, Des.

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Re: NL Election

Postby modern roots » Sun Apr 02, 12:20 am

des wrote:
alpha wrote:
Generous_J wrote:
Cat wrote:Was Britain really on the crest of a populist wave, or has it just walked itself off a cliff?


Both.


Neither.

But what's truly amazing still is the utter proof the British people have a say in the destiny of their nation. That's a class act!


It was almost worth voting Brexit just to see the look on Donald Tusk's face when our Ambassador handed him the letter triggering Article 50!

I've not laughed that hard in years!


Peace, Des.


I'm glad you told them to suck lemons. Priceless.


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