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Postby Dazzler » Wed Feb 25, 8:51 am

Thanks MHD.

It still looks like death by a thousand cuts though.

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Postby worldcitizen1723 » Wed Feb 25, 5:24 pm

A majority of MPs have called for a wide-ranging review of Dutch drugs policy following concerns that an increasing number of youngsters are getting into trouble with soft drugs such as marijuana. The Netherlands has a policy of turning a blind eye to the possession of up to five grammes of marijuana for personal use. The call came during a day-long debate on the country’s drugs laws. Health minister Ab Klink agreed to carry out the research which will focus on developments over the past 30 years. The goal is to determine if the practise of ignoring soft-drug use has limited the risks involved with drug use as promised when it was first devised. However, Klink stressed the research will be ‘extremely difficult’, partly because there is no statistical information dating back to the time soft drugs laws were relaxed. The aim of the change was to take soft drugs out of the criminal sphere. During Thursday’s debate, justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin said he is planning to crack down on the production of marijuana in the Netherlands – particularly the number of shops selling supplies for growers, such as seeds, specialist lighting and fertilisers. Ministers are also looking at ways to reduce the role of the internet in the drugs trade and cut back on drugs tourism. Belgium and Germany have raised concerns about the location of marijuana-selling coffee shops close to their borders. Measures have already been taken to reduce the number of coffee shops near schools.

Read more at DutchNews.nl: Dutch drugs policy to get 30-year review http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... _get_30-y/

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Postby Rudy » Wed Feb 25, 5:34 pm

I thought they relaxed drug laws originally because of the crime and disease associated with heroin addiction. What became of that? Is it on the rise again, like here in the US?

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Postby Dazzler » Wed Feb 25, 5:44 pm

worldcitizen1723 wrote:The aim of the change was to take soft drugs out of the criminal sphere. During Thursday’s debate, justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin said he is planning to crack down on the production of marijuana in the Netherlands – particularly the number of shops selling supplies for growers, such as seeds, specialist lighting and fertilisers.


What? So in order to take marijuana production out of the criminal sphere, they're going to close grow shops, forcing retailers and consumers to rely more heavily on imports?

That's madness. They're not even trying any more.

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Postby Red Pleb » Wed Feb 25, 6:21 pm

' Grow Shops' , the globe over , supply to the legit horticulture industry and nurseries . They don't solely exist to sell equipment to dope operations . Im interested to know how they will justify such a crackdown .

" Ministers are also looking at ways to reduce the role of the internet in the drugs trade and cut back on drugs tourism. "

I suspect that the ' tourism' issue will take care of itself . If Coffeeshops are reliant on the shite crops that are knocked out in Romania/Albania.....and I believe Germany , then punters will vote with their feet . Chemicals , bugs , adulterants , gangster prices....only gullible idiots will tolerate that . Im not.

As for the ' role of the internet ' .......good luck to them on that .

The genie has been out of the bottle for decades. People enjoy using dope and that wont change ....ever . A 30 year review may give the reactionary law makers a hard on but , whatever restrictions are implemented , the futility of any ' war on drugs ' will continue to shine in big fucking capital letters .

Difficult to believe that Reefer Madness, that emanated from the good ole USA , is now so prevalent in once progressive , liberal Europe .

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Postby smokedpeppers » Wed Feb 25, 7:03 pm

one could think??, this criminal element within the sphere won concessions
from nl. 'powers that be', on imports . nl. NAFTA of sorts .

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Postby Dazzler » Wed Feb 25, 7:22 pm

If you want to see the future of Amsterdam, think of an open-air museum crammed with gawping middle class Chinese and Indian tourists taking photos of the places where the kamers and coffeeshops used to be before traipsing into boutiques to buy overpriced knitwear. Even the Russians will avoid Amsterdam in favour of somewhere less dead behind the eyes. They tend to congregate in Asian beach destinations where there's cheap sex on offer.

I've seen the new Asian tourists, and they're every bit as stupid, ignorant and insensitive as their European and American counterparts.

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Postby NewYork, New York » Wed Feb 25, 9:07 pm

Dazzler wrote:If you want to see the future of Amsterdam, think of an open-air museum crammed with gawping middle class Chinese and Indian tourists taking photos of the places where the kamers and coffeeshops used to be before traipsing into boutiques to buy overpriced knitwear. Even the Russians will avoid Amsterdam in favour of somewhere less dead behind the eyes. They tend to congregate in Asian beach destinations where there's cheap sex on offer.

I've seen the new Asian tourists, and they're every bit as stupid, ignorant and insensitive as their European and American counterparts.


You mean people all over the world are basically the same as tourists?

Shocking news.

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Postby Bohannon » Wed Feb 25, 9:14 pm

Nol says:

Hi Jack,

no, just another obstacle, inspite of what the Dutch press states, we are
importing from all over EU already. If you call a growshop: seed and
flower shop, you can go on, using disclaimers.
Internet growshops are not affected, they are all in Belgium.

another fart in the ocean...

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Postby MileHighDenver » Wed Feb 25, 9:15 pm

Dazzler wrote:If you want to see the future of Amsterdam, think of an open-air museum crammed with gawping middle class Chinese and Indian tourists taking photos of the places where the kamers and coffeeshops used to be before traipsing into boutiques to buy overpriced knitwear. Even the Russians will avoid Amsterdam in favour of somewhere less dead behind the eyes. They tend to congregate in Asian beach destinations where there's cheap sex on offer.

I've seen the new Asian tourists, and they're every bit as stupid, ignorant and insensitive as their European and American counterparts.


This is almost exactly how Jackie describes Amsterdam now. She would know having been born there and seeing the change for almost 50 years. She agrees it got worse about 15 years ago, and the curve went straight down over the last 5 years.

patrick

Postby patrick » Wed Feb 25, 10:03 pm

Nol can all ways go back to robbing banks

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Postby Rudy » Wed Feb 25, 11:00 pm

Silver linings, eh pat?

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Postby patrick » Wed Feb 25, 11:32 pm

Sorry but bank robbing is not good with me

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Postby NewYork, New York » Thu Feb 26, 12:10 am

MileHighDenver wrote:
Dazzler wrote:If you want to see the future of Amsterdam, think of an open-air museum crammed with gawping middle class Chinese and Indian tourists taking photos of the places where the kamers and coffeeshops used to be before traipsing into boutiques to buy overpriced knitwear. Even the Russians will avoid Amsterdam in favour of somewhere less dead behind the eyes. They tend to congregate in Asian beach destinations where there's cheap sex on offer.

I've seen the new Asian tourists, and they're every bit as stupid, ignorant and insensitive as their European and American counterparts.


This is almost exactly how Jackie describes Amsterdam now. She would know having been born there and seeing the change for almost 50 years. She agrees it got worse about 15 years ago, and the curve went straight down over the last 5 years.


NYC ain't what it used to be back in the wild west of the 70's & 80's either.
The nightlife has changed and alot of live music venues are gone. Almost every great Dive bar is gone.

Times change. So do people and their attitudes. Think about it. While Holland toys with making weed illegal or whatever, the US moves closer to full legalization?

I still am planning a visit this year.

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Postby Generous_J » Thu Feb 26, 4:27 am

NewYork, New York wrote:
Dazzler wrote:If you want to see the future of Amsterdam, think of an open-air museum crammed with gawping middle class Chinese and Indian tourists taking photos of the places where the kamers and coffeeshops used to be before traipsing into boutiques to buy overpriced knitwear. Even the Russians will avoid Amsterdam in favour of somewhere less dead behind the eyes. They tend to congregate in Asian beach destinations where there's cheap sex on offer.

I've seen the new Asian tourists, and they're every bit as stupid, ignorant and insensitive as their European and American counterparts.


You mean people all over the world are basically the same as tourists?

Shocking news.


lol, FAIR PLAY.

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Postby Generous_J » Thu Feb 26, 4:30 am

patrick wrote:Sorry but bank robbing is not good with me


Yeah but being the resident (1 of 2 really) pyschopathic fucking asshole is kosher right? Standards.

patrick

Postby patrick » Thu Feb 26, 4:57 am

Sorry but when people stick guns in peoples faces and take what they want, i judge them

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Postby MileHighDenver » Mon Mar 02, 10:07 pm

worldcitizen1723 wrote: Would love to see the interview with Jackie could you put up a link when it airs?


http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/140823/vide ... s-celstraf

It's in Dutch of course.

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Postby patrick » Mon Mar 02, 10:24 pm

Thought you left

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Postby worldcitizen1723 » Mon Mar 02, 10:43 pm

MileHighDenver wrote:
worldcitizen1723 wrote: Would love to see the interview with Jackie could you put up a link when it airs?


http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/140823/vide ... s-celstraf

It's in Dutch of course.



thanks. ( the hard copy helped : > )

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Postby nemesystem » Tue Mar 03, 2:20 am

MileHighDenver wrote:
worldcitizen1723 wrote: Would love to see the interview with Jackie could you put up a link when it airs?


http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/140823/vide ... s-celstraf

It's in Dutch of course.

thanks!

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Postby worldcitizen1723 » Tue Mar 03, 2:26 am

Police in Brabant have made immediate use of their new powers to clamp down on marijuana cultivation with three raids in different parts of the province, the NRC said on Monday. New legislation came into effect on March 1 which makes it a criminal offence to help people set up plantations by selling equipment which can be used to grow marijuana. Brabant’s public prosecution department chief Bart Nieuwenhuizen told the NRC the aim is to ‘completely squeeze out’ production, now officials have the legal resources. One raid was on a warehouse where filters, pipes and trays for growing plants were found. In Drunen and Goirle two so-called grow shops were closed down after police found they were selling fertilisers, foil and lamps for indoor growing. If found guilty, the owners could be jailed for up to three years.

Read more at DutchNews.nl: With new anti-marijuana rules in force, police raid ‘grow shops’ in Brabant http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... n-brabant/

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Postby Red Pleb » Tue Mar 03, 2:08 pm

Guess its all started , then . Don't think there's any point in being in continued denial . Boo .

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Postby MileHighDenver » Tue Mar 03, 3:22 pm

They went after one in Maastricht too. Brabant is a very conservative area and the grow shops there are mostly owned by High Life People. They have always been associated with criminality and have been used as scape goats before. All of the local Amsterdam shops are still open. There are garden centers across the country that supply growers too. Until it's tested in court it's not over. Many have pointed out that this equipment is used for other purposes and it shouldn't be hard to convince a judge of that.

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Postby Jessica » Tue Mar 03, 3:41 pm

I have a trip planned to Amsterdam in early July.

Does anyone have any idea if the situation will still be good until at least then?

Thanks

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Postby Mokum Dream » Tue Mar 03, 3:47 pm

Amsterdam will never be what it once was...

Mokum Dream

Postby Mokum Dream » Tue Mar 03, 3:50 pm

The vibe is gone...Try Christiania in Denmark...

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Postby Mokum Dream » Tue Mar 03, 4:25 pm

Vibe in Dam died on 2 November 2004...

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Postby Dazzler » Tue Mar 03, 4:42 pm

Go to Portugal or Spain. The people are nicer, the climate and food are better and you can get something to eat after 9 in the fucking evening, not served by someone who acts as though they actively wish you were dead.

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Postby Jessica » Tue Mar 03, 4:46 pm

Dazzler wrote:Go to Portugal or Spain. The people are nicer, the climate and food are better and you can get something to eat after 9 in the fucking evening, not served by someone who acts as though they actively wish you were dead.

Flights are booked. Just concerned with the weed availability tbh.


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